 | | | Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. | | | | | | 17-12-2020, 13:32 | | Boat: Rustler 31
| mostly for single-handed sailing, cruising with my sometimes and eventually living on the all by myself.
Albin Ballad is considered by many as the which is now rated as an ocean cruiser, , her beam contributes to the stiffness and she is a well designed (configured, laid out) .
I have read quite a bit about the boat yet still have some questions:
- What are Ballad force and wave height limits? Her free-board is quite low, what height is it?
- Problems for single-handling?
- Is Ballad hard to steer in heavy ? What is heavy for Ballad? When she becomes a very wet boat?
- How does she sail downwind?
- Do all Ballad models, including latest ones, have a sandwich ?
- is stepped. How hard is it to drain from bilges near step? How to make the hole where mast goes through the tight?
- Important questions about ground tackle. All pictures of Ballads I have seen so far, show no and no on the bow. They have anchors stowed in locker. is attached to a short chain (how long and how big is it?) that in turn is attached to some sort of a tape coiled on a stern pushpit. How do they use anchor on a bow? Is it possible to make a proper ground tackle on the bow? Where to store chain in this case? In my case it is important to have a heavy enough anchor with at least 30 meters of chain to anchor from the bow, which makes it impossible to drag all this from a stern locker to the bow when you need to anchor. How to solve problems on Ballad?
- Auxiliary. The boat I am looking for has with 500 hours. has direct sea water system. Most probably needs replacement because of the rust. Is cooling channels replacement possible with this engine and how much will it approximately cost?
- How big are and water ?
- Pictures show heads located close to the bow without any door in sight. Is it so, or heads have a sliding door?
- What problems to look for when Ballad?
- Is there any Ballad specific forum in ?
Many thanks for any info on Ballads! | | | | | 18-12-2020, 01:47 | | Boat: sailing Shipman 28 / OE36 project
| | | | | 18-12-2020, 06:56 | | Boat: Rustler 31
| | 18-12-2020, 07:02 | | Boat: Sabre 402
| mostly for single-handed sailing, cruising with my sometimes and eventually living on the boat all by myself.
Albin Ballad is considered by many as the which is now rated as an ocean cruiser, , her beam contributes to the stiffness and she is a well designed (configured, laid out) boat.
I have read quite a bit about the boat yet still have some questions:
- What are Ballad wind force and wave height limits? Her free-board is quite low, what height is it?
- Problems for single-handling? . Built for , sail controls are likely set up for crew to handle, well-spaced on deck.
- Is Ballad hard to steer in heavy weather ? What is heavy weather for Ballad? When she becomes a very wet boat?
- How does she sail downwind?
- Do all Ballad models, including latest ones, have a sandwich deck? by making them all the same. Why would this one be any different?
- Mast is stepped. How hard is it to drain water from bilges near mast step? . How to make the hole where mast goes through the deck water tight? about how to make your mast partners watertight. Good luck.Water comes down the mast groove for the luff too.
- Important questions about ground tackle. All pictures of Ballads I have seen so far, show no anchor and no on the bow. They have anchors stowed in locker. Anchor is attached to a short chain (how long and how big is it?) that in turn is attached to some sort of a tape coiled on a stern pushpit. How do they use anchor on a bow? Is it possible to make a proper ground tackle on the bow? Where to store chain in this case? In my case it is important to have a heavy enough anchor with at least 30 meters of chain to anchor from the bow, which makes it impossible to drag all this from a stern locker to the bow when you need to anchor. How to solve problems on Ballad? were raced, owners opted for the lightest and easiest ground tackle, since it was hardly ever used. It is quite simple to lead the anchor line from the bow to the cockpit, where a singlehanded can drop it over the side. What 30m of heavy chain will do to the sailing characteristics of such a small and relatively light boat, especially if it is stowed forward, could be interesting, and perhaps dangerous for the handling of the boat in some conditions.
- Auxiliary. The boat I am looking for has engine with 500 hours. Engine has direct sea water cooling system. Most probably cooling needs replacement because of the rust. raw-water cooled engine too. We have replaced hoses, zincs, gaskets and belts as needed. We do not have an hour meter, but it likely has more than a thousand hours on it. Diesels can last a long time. Is cooling channels replacement possible with this engine and how much will it approximately cost? should be able to tell you.
- How big are and water ? shows that these boats have 30L diesel and 61L water tanks
- Pictures show heads located close to the bow without any door in sight. Is it so, or heads have a sliding door? or singlehanded, and you worry about a door on the ??? Many smaller boats have curtains if a door is unworkable.
- What problems to look for when Ballad? floors had extensive rust. Having the keel fall off because of this could ruin your afternoon. Check under the floorboards of the .
- Is there any Ballad specific forum in ?
Many thanks for any info on Ballads! | | 18-12-2020, 08:00 | | Boat: sailing Shipman 28 / OE36 project
| | on port or starboard side and not in the middle, how it works then? Do Ballad have a central cleat on the bow that can be used to secure anchor chain / tape? |  | 18-12-2020, 11:00 | | Boat: Swan 57
| we mostly tie up bow to land and an anchor off the stern. Being a "sporty" boat in the old days the main anchor was stowed low in the boat. | | | | | 18-12-2020, 11:07 | | Boat: UFO27 Holman & Pye 8.2m
| | | | | | 18-12-2020, 11:22 | | Boat: UFO27 Holman & Pye 8.2m
| | | | | | 18-12-2020, 12:20 | | | | .
The Albin 30 is a nice little boat and much of a muchness with other Scowegian "cruiser/racers" of her vintage. The King's Cruiser is the one I know best:
These two boats are contemporaries and functionally equivalent. They are based on older Scowegian tradition and are direct derivatives of the Folkebåd which we know as the "International Folkboat"
"Modern" North Americans CAN in these boats, but doing so is very much like "camping out" - in the rough at that. We Scowegians thought, back then in the late '60s, that these were BIG boats, because most boats were, like the IF, in the 24 and 25 foot range.
You will see that the arrangement is much the same in all these boats, so there really isn't anything to choose between there. arrangements are, to say the least, minimal in their native configuration, and I would expect that for any of the boats this side of The Pond, these arrangements have been upgraded. arrangements are primitive because the boats have so little interior space. In the "heads" (the "room"), there is, typically "not room to swing a cat", or more to the point, not sufficient room for a grown man's elbows to move while he "does the paper work". Having a is just not an option for want of space.
No need to elaborate further on those things I'm sure :-)!
For day-sailing, or weekends out with a coupla smallish kids or young teenagers, they are excellent boats, particularly if they haven't been "upgraded" with such things as . If they are kept mechanically simple they can, in the hands of a competent , go like veritable stink, but they are only 3 1/2 tons, so you can easily spoil their performance by loading them down with clobber, both personal and boat related.
So that brings us to your question/comment about 90 feet of chain. Whyever would you need 90 feet? Where are you gonna sail? Where are you gonna anchor?
Another practicality is that an Albin 30 in good condition should set you back no more than five grand. For that you would get a boat that is EXCELLENT for the basic on - particularly if it is kept simple as to - and for taking a coupla kiddie-winks out for a weekend's or even a week's camping. If, after you get some miles under your keel, you decide that you would like to take the Albin down to where the coconuts grow, or even around Island, then know that the BOAT is perfectly capable of undertaking such a voyage. The question is whether YOU will be. It is not the boat that takes the crew safely across vast stretches of water. It' the that takes the boat with her crew safely across!
You may decide after getting some experience in the Albin that for a permanent upon the bounding main you'd prefer a bigger boat. In that case, just walk away from your five grand by giving the boat to one of the foundations that accept old boats against a receipt for tax purposes, and then use the proceeds from the (eventual) of the boat for various benevolent purposes. One of the realities of a sailorman's life is that he should never put more money into a boat than he can walk away from with s smile still on his face :-)!
Good luck to you, and let's know how you get on.
TrentePieds | | | | | 18-12-2020, 12:21 | | Boat: Rustler 31
| it is normal practice to drop the anchor from the stern. The bow will be tied to the trees or rings on shore. The shores are pretty steep usually and one can step on shore from the bow.
You can always walk to the bow with your anchor and cleat it there if you want to anchor the usual way, away from the shore. | | 18-12-2020, 12:33 | | Boat: sailing Shipman 28 / OE36 project
| | 18-12-2020, 12:40 | | Boat: Rustler 31
| | 18-12-2020, 12:56 | | Boat: Rustler 31
| .
The Albin 30 is a nice little boat and much of a muchness with other Scowegian "cruiser/racers" of her vintage. The King's Cruiser is the one I know best:
These two boats are contemporaries and functionally equivalent. They are based on older Scowegian tradition and are direct derivatives of the Folkebåd which we know as the "International Folkboat"
"Modern" North Americans CAN in these boats, but doing so is very much like "camping out" - in the rough at that. We Scowegians thought, back then in the late '60s, that these were BIG boats, because most boats were, like the IF, in the 24 and 25 foot range.
You will see that the interior arrangement is much the same in all these boats, so there really isn't anything to choose between there. arrangements are, to say the least, minimal in their native configuration, and I would expect that for any of the boats this side of The Pond, these arrangements have been upgraded. Toilet arrangements are primitive because the boats have so little interior space. In the "heads" (the toilet "room"), there is, typically "not room to swing a cat", or more to the point, not sufficient room for a grown man's elbows to move while he "does the paper work". Having a is just not an option for want of space.
No need to elaborate further on those things I'm sure :-)!
For day-sailing, or weekends out with a coupla smallish kids or young teenagers, they are excellent boats, particularly if they haven't been "upgraded" with such things as . If they are kept mechanically simple they can, in the hands of a competent skipper, go like veritable stink, but they are only 3 1/2 tons, so you can easily spoil their performance by loading them down with clobber, both personal and boat related.
So that brings us to your question/comment about 90 feet of chain. Whyever would you need 90 feet? Where are you gonna sail? Where are you gonna anchor?
Another practicality is that an Albin 30 in good condition should set you back no more than five grand. For that money you would get a boat that is EXCELLENT for the basic on - particularly if it is kept simple as to - and for taking a coupla kiddie-winks out for a weekend's or even a week's camping. If, after you get some miles under your keel, you decide that you would like to take the Albin down to where the coconuts grow, or even around Island, then know that the BOAT is perfectly capable of undertaking such a voyage. The question is whether YOU will be. It is not the boat that takes the crew safely across vast stretches of water. It' the skipper that takes the boat with her crew safely across!
You may decide after getting some experience in the Albin that for a permanent upon the bounding main you'd prefer a bigger boat. In that case, just walk away from your five grand by giving the boat to one of the foundations that accept old boats against a receipt for tax purposes, and then use the proceeds from the (eventual) of the boat for various benevolent purposes. One of the realities of a sailorman's life is that he should never put more money into a boat than he can walk away from with s smile still on his face :-)!
Good luck to you, and let's know how you get on.
TrentePieds | | 18-12-2020, 14:53 | | Boat: sailing Shipman 28 / OE36 project
| | 18-12-2020, 16:20 | | | | should be enuff, and it's nice to have, say, six or seven fathoms of 5/16" (8mm) chain, to lay the shank flat on the bottom and to take the chafe of the first few fathoms of near the anchor, particularly if the ground is foul with rocks. The part of the scope should be 7/16" (11mm) three strand nylon, because nylon is elastic and becomes its own "snubber" (shock absorber).
5/16" chain weighs just under a pound (say than 400gr.) per foot and has a breaking strength of 4,700 lbs, say 2 tons. So 40 feet (which is what I have) weighs about 16Kg.
7/16" three strand nylon has a breaking strength of 4,500 lbs (i.e. very much the same as the chain), and a weight of 5 lbs per 100 feet. So 200 feet, which is what I have, weighs about 4 1/2 Kg.
The weight of ALL the ground tackle may therefore be expected to be about 28Kg.
So weight is simply NOT a problem. Nevertheless, since you obviously don't need an anchor when you are in deep water, say more than 30 feet or 10M deep) you take the weight out of the ends of the boat and thereby make a light boat like an Albin 30 more sea kindly. You stow the stuff as near to midships as you can. Just make sure that the stuff is securely lashed down just in case Poseidon gets up on the wrong side of the .
Now, I have an , but — Oh, my Aunt! What a turkey! So, Dok, I you want to know what I do in TrentePieds, just ask :-)
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