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Holder 17 is a 16 ′ 11 ″ / 5.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Ron Holder and built by Hobie Cat starting in 1982.
Rig and Sails
Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.
The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3
- SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Ballast / Displacement * 100
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
An earlier version was called the VAGABOND 17.
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Review of Holder 17
Basic specs..
The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all.
The Holder 17 is equipped with a fractional rig. A fractional rig has smaller headsails which make tacking easier, which is an advantage for cruisers and racers, of course. The downside is that having the wind from behind often requires a gennaker or a spinnaker for optimal speed.
The Holder 17 is equipped with a swing keel. A swing keel is a pivoting lifting keel, allowing to sail both coastal and inland waters.
The boat can sail close to the beach as the draft is just 0.36 - 0.46 meter (1.18 - 1.48 ft) dependent of the load. See immersion rate below.
Sailing characteristics
This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.
What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?
The capsize screening value for Holder 17 is 2.87, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.
What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?
The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.2 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.
The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Holder 17 is about 65 kg/cm, alternatively 365 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 65 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 365 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
Sailing statistics
This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.
What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?
What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?
What is a Ballast Ratio?
What is Displacement Length Ratio?
What is SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio)?
Maintenance
When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 12m 2 (129 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.
Are your sails worn out? You might find your next sail here: Sails for Sale
If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.
| Usage | Length | Diameter | ||
| Mainsail halyard | 16.6 m | (54.3 feet) | 6 mm | (1/4 inch) |
| Jib/genoa halyard | 16.6 m | (54.3 feet) | 6 mm | (1/4 inch) |
| Spinnaker halyard | 16.6 m | (54.3 feet) | 6 mm | (1/4 inch) |
| Jib sheet | 5.2 m | (17.0 feet) | 8 mm | (5/16 inch) |
| Genoa sheet | 5.2 m | (17.0 feet) | 8 mm | (5/16 inch) |
| Mainsheet | 12.9 m | (42.5 feet) | 8 mm | (5/16 inch) |
| Spinnaker sheet | 11.4 m | (37.4 feet) | 8 mm | (5/16 inch) |
| Cunningham | 2.4 m | (7.7 feet) | 6 mm | (1/4 inch) |
| Kickingstrap | 4.7 m | (15.5 feet) | 6 mm | (1/4 inch) |
| Clew-outhaul | 4.7 m | (15.5 feet) | 6 mm | (1/4 inch) |
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Is a Holder the right boat for us?
- Thread starter gary neubauer
- Start date Jul 1, 2007
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gary neubauer
My wife and I are starting to look at trailerable sailboat. We are novice sailors and want a small boat that is stable and has a large cockpit, which the 14' seems to have as compared to a Vanguard, for example. We have read negative reviews on the Holder, specifically that it is strictly a novice's boat, slow, stiff. Is this true. Should we look elsewhere? What should a purchaser look for to be certain they are not buying a "dark repair hole?" Thanks!
Holder Overview The Holder-14 is an open cockpit, daggerboad day-sailor. L.O.A. 13'8" L.W.L. 12'6" Beam 6'2" Weight 265 lb. Sail Area 110 sq. ft. The hull design is a wide beam, hard chine... that is to say it's width is wider than average for it's length and the bottom transitions to the sides at a sharp corner rather than a rounding curve. This is a classic style similar to the wood hull Penguin and Point Jude sailboats. The benefit of this design is a stable, easy to sail boat. From the perspective of someone geared toward competative sailing, the Holder lacks the naked edge zip found sailing a 420 or 505. For the recreational sailor and occasional club racer the Holder provides simplicity and ease of handling. An automotive comparison would be the Volvo P-1800 to a Porsche. Pros: Easy to trailer; can be launched and sailed single-handed; simple rigging; Can be sporty, but not overwhelming for the liesure sailor; most parts are standard off-the-shelf sailboat hardware; used boats can be found for as little as $500. Cons: No longer in production so replacing major propriatary parts like the rudder assembly have to be custom... this would be rare and the cost is still no higher than the factory part would be. Similar boats to the Holder: Lido-14, Capri-14/14.2, Hunter-146 You can find detail info here - http://home.comcast.net/~vagabondsailing There's an owner's support group where you can get answers to specific questions - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HobieHolder I am interested to know where you found your reviews of the Holder.
I have sailed the Holder 14' among other smaller sailboats and it is easy to sail and has a large comfortable cockpit for it's size. It will handle nicely in lighter winds but you may find yourself heading for (or staying on) shore when the wind picks up past 15 knots. I believe that the rigging for this boat is fairly simple too: 2 halyards, 2 sheets, centerboard pennant, rudder, 20' mast which one person should be able to hoist into place. I do not think this boat has stays on the mast which makes it even easier to rig prior to trailering. The Holder 14' is a fairly ideal boat for 2 people who want to do some casual sailing. Most repairs of this size boat can be done by you and thus will not cost a lot of money like they would on a larger boat with more systems. You have to determine if this is the right boat for the kind of sailing you want to do. I believe that I rented one and you should try to do this before you purchase your own. If all you want to do is enjoy some comfortable time on the water than this boat or the O'Day 17' would do nicely as they are both rigged in a minimal fashion. On the other hand, if you are a speed freak or an Alpha type personality and are competitive you might consider a boat like the Lightining 19' which are usually rigged for racing and are still being made (over 14,000 made). I bought one of these recently for a grand ($1K) with trailer and it came with 2 sets of sails and 2 spinnakers (which are not an option for most Holder 14's). The Lightning is a fast, sporty boat with a large cockpit that may seem a little cluttered compared to the Holder 14' as there are many more control lines (boom vang, mast rake, traveller, etc) you will need to become familiar with. My only complaint with the Lightning as a trailer sailor is that stepping and un-stepping the 30' (or so) mast is easiest with a crew of 4 whereas the Holder should be much easier to deal with in this regard. If you wanted to try sailing on a Lightning you might be able to get a position as crew on someone else's boat as there are several active Lightning racing fleets in Florida.
Moving up fast If you are planning to graduate from the novice class quikly and don't want to be stuck with a leisure sport boat like most of the ones mentioned earlier, get into a Finn or a Flying Junior. Both are around 14' with open cockpits. They are both true competition boats and will help you stay focused on sailing skills. Lots of fun for breaking into faster sailing.
Holder 14 = Volvo 1800 I've owned a 1970 Volvo 1800E AND a 1984 Holder 14. Do I sense a pattern? The Holder is a great 1st boat. It can hold 3-4 adults with ease. As stated earlier it is easy to rig and is no racer. Perfect for light cruising with 2 adults. Recommended! ps: The Volvo was great too!
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