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Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by Chorus , Aug 5, 2011 .

Chorus Junior Member

I'm looking for Carter 37 plan (Hull + sailing), just for artistic drawings. Anybody could find it with a scan in an old review ? Tx by advance  

Gary Baigent Senior Member

Only one I could find; Waianiwa and Moonlight.  

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Tad Boat Designer

This is Ydra (Carter one ton) and prototype of Carter production 37'. From Sail Magazine December 1972. Contact Y. M. Tanton for further details.......  

Sections from YM Tanton......  

MUSTANG6060 Junior Member

Dear all, Happy owner of one Carter 37 since 1998, I'm pleased to join you. You'll find enclosed the complete lines used for building one half hull. Is someone aware if Dick Carter is still alive ? He should be happy to know that I won last 28th April "le Tour de Belle Ile" with some X-362, X-442, IMS 38, behind me ! Kind Regards. View attachment Carter 37 Plan de formes Mustang.pdf View attachment couple.doc  

Bob Fawkes New Member

Hi, I also have a Carter 37. I'm her 2nd owner, must be 17 years now. Great boat, still competitive under IOR rating 0.949, based East Coast UK. She has a steel beam which runs across the boat connecting to the keel bolts & chain plates. All hidden away forward to the main bulkhead. Do you know if this is standard construction or a later modification? Regards, Bob.  

Carter 37 -steel beam Hi Bob ! Thanks for your message. Sorry, but I've never heard about this steel beam installed on Carter 37. Perhaps yours should meet weakness on hull. I will search on french sail-magazine and will come back to you. No news about Dick Carter ? Regards  

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souljour2000 Senior Member

Bob Fawkes said: ↑ Hi, I also have a Carter 37. I'm her 2nd owner, must be 17 years now. Great boat, still competitive under IOR rating 0.949, based East Coast UK. She has a steel beam which runs across the boat connecting to the keel bolts & chain plates. All hidden away forward to the main bulkhead. Do you know if this is standard construction or a later modification? Regards, Bob. Click to expand...

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Guys...... Honestly, contact Yves-Marie Tanton for construction details etc on the Carter boats, Yves was chief designer in the Carter office.  

Thanks very much for the replies, I've no pictures of the steel beam I would need to take some of the interior out to take photos. I think that Dick Carter may have passed away in 2007, I can't remember where I heard that so possibly not fact. Mustang 6060, your boat looks great, I seem to be having a problem attaching a photo of mine....  

Carter 37 - steel beam Hi Bob, As promised, please find attached two 1973 articles. I'm sorry the language is French, but it's now easy to translate on the web. In the "construction" part no mention of steel beam. No more information in the second document from Carter-Offshore, importer from Olympics Yards in Greece. The building was under control of Lloyd's Register of shipping. We can read that 6 longitudinal Omegas in fiber glass filled with polyurethane foam make the strength of the hull. Another detail IRC rating PS : my TCC is 0.936. Regards, Phil. View attachment construction Carter-37.pdf View attachment construction010001.pdf  

Hi Phil, I had always thought that information on the 37 was not available, thanks for sending it over, our french is not good but adequate to translate. I have not met many other owners (maybe this is not relevant to this forum) We raced against Irish Mist years ago in Ireland, theres a couple of 37's in Holland, also came across one in Spain. Not that long ago, 2006, the Newport Bermuda race was won by a 37 from the States, I met her navigator at the RORC before the 2007 Fastnet. Maybe you have a furling headsail to get down to 0.936? Our boat is called Tigo IV. Regards, Bob.  

Hi Bob, Your TIGO IV looks great with pretty sails! Irish mist is still running? I've always dreamed to meet her! Before to buy my Mustang ex-Obsession (serial n°13 built in 1972 in Greece, fitted in 1999 with a furling headsail), I was hesitating with one Tina, the other Carter's good looking plan from Rabbit, winner in Fastnet 65 (Dick was 33). I think there are less than 15 Carter-37 in France (7-8 in Brittany where I sail) but it's not easy to sail together. I've read that Dick was working in a lighthouse near Boston (Nahant, USA) & retired in UK. But probably Yves Marie Tanton knows more about him & your steel-beam... Regards Phil.  

Luc Vernet Senior N.A.

Tad said: ↑ Sections from YM Tanton...... View attachment 59524 Click to expand...

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sharpii2 Senior Member

What's the fastest speed this boat is known to have sailed? Did it ever hit 15 kts?  

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Carter 37 (1 Ton)

Carter 37 (1 Ton) is a 37 ′ 0 ″ / 11.3 m monohull sailboat designed by Dick Carter and built by Olympic Marine starting in 1973.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

Production version of 1973 IOR One Ton Cup winner, ‘YDRA’. (1 ton was 27.5’, IOR MkIII) Drawing shown here is of the racing version. (from Carter Offshore flyer - courtesy of Mike Davies) More popular was another version with an extended wedge shaped coach roof and fitted out interior. At least one other Carter One ton design was introduced and went into production several years later from an American builder. (CARTER 36 OR TEXAS ONE TON?)

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Review of Carter 37

Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season.

Unknown keel type

The keel is made of lead. Compared with iron, lead has the advantage of being 44% heavier, which allows a smaller keel and hence less water resistance and higher speed.

The boat can only enter major marinas as the draft is about 1.92 - 2.02 meter (6.30 - 6.60 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

The boat may be equipped with an inboard Perkins diesel engine at 50 hp (37 kW).

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Carter 37 is about 281 kg/cm, alternatively 1575 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 281 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1575 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

What is a Ballast Ratio?

Maintenance

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If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.

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Saturday, May 5, 2012

2 comments:

Dear Yves, I have a Carter 37 named Tigo IV, I'm her 2nd owner from new, bought her 1995. She has had a modification which is the addition of a steel beam which the keel bolts to, it runs across the boat and connects to the chain plates. The mod was done by the Berthon Boat Co in the early 80's. A few years ago I took the steelwork out & re-galvanised & epoxy painted it, it's in good condition. However, if I sail the boat realy hard, I think that she bends! This becomes apparent because the main hatch becomes difficult to slide, I try not to let this occur...Have you ever heard of this problem or of anyone changing the rudder on a 37 to a balanced one rather than the designed skeg hung one? Regards, Bob.

No. For any of the above situations. I'll like to hear more about it. www.tantonyachts.com

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