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- April 12, 2007
If the performance of radar reflectors and other safety gear is still so poor, why is no independent organisation testing them out? A few years ago I did a test on man overboard gear and our panel of testers came away with deep reservations about using the sling method of recovery. When I looked into this afterwards I found that although the RORC recommends a Lifesling or similar, it had never tested one. No official body in the UK had ever independently tested any MOB recovery methods. Ever since then I’ve thought what a pity it is we don’t have such an independent organisation to evaluate the effectiveness of safety equipment we all buy in good faith. I thought about an independent test panel again when I read the conclusions of the cms_resources/Ouzo.pdf/?p=234>MAIB’s investigation into the deaths of the Ouzo crew. They report of the octahedral radar reflector that ‘overall performance is poor’ and that there was only ‘a 50% probability [it] would have been seen by the ship’. As far as I know, all the radar reflectors you can buy for a yacht are somewhere between poor and better than nothing. But it’s only as far as I know. The last major test I can think of was done 12 years ago by safety/Studies/radar_reflector_test.htm>US Sailing They found that all were marginal – except the radar flag, which was totally useless – and concluded: ‘none of the reflectors would be more than marginally useful in offshore conditions where S-band radar were being used, except perhaps in calm sea conditions’. It ought to be time to repeat this test, and to look closely at products such as the Sea-Me active radar target enhancer, which have come on the market since this test was done. Isn’t it time somebody in the marine industry set up an independent and authoritative body to properly test reflectors, liferafts, lifejackets and the like? - Forum Listing
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Do I need a radar reflector?Thin Profile and rounding of mast tends not to show up WELL. Lots of different facets on reflector do a better job at reflecting radar waves back to the sender. I read an article where they tested radar reflectors. Many performed very poorly. There are active ones that listen for a signal and shoot a beam back with a transmitter. They are very effective. The amount of fog, night time sailing, and proximity to commercial traffic would help decide if the cost is worth it. US Sailing and the RORC have both performed tests on radar reflectors. Both sets of tests seem to indicate that the Davis type, (round interlocking panels that create "pockets") mounted in a "catch rain" position is among the most effective passive reflectors available. It's also one of the less expensive. Actual results can vary because of the way the reflector is mounted, the angle of heel of the boat, the height of waves, and a lot of other technical stuff. We used ours last week in Buzzards Bay with about 200' of visibility, and were glad to have it deployed. halekai36 said: Speaking as someone from the foggy state of Maine all I can say is YES! Radar likes right angles and flat surfaces to reflect signal back. Rounded masts are not a good reflector. While many boats do show up without a reflector the target definition and target itself on screen is usually quite small and can be mistaken for a lobster pot or buoy or sea clutter. Make your boat show up on someones radar screen and definitely buy a reflector.. Oh never mind I'll just show you. I took this photo a few weeks ago at my mooring during the set up and install of my new Garmin HD radar that replaced a Raytheon CRT unit. The target labeled in red as "C-30" is a Catalina 30 with no radar reflector. The much bigger target labeled in green as "M-28" is a Morris 28 with a radar reflector. Hopefully seeing is believing...! LOOK BIG!! Click to expand... max-on said: Edit: Hal, that radar screen looks sweet; it puts my 1997 model to shame. I guess I will add HD radar to the list! Click to expand... I am definitely of the belief that you want to do everything that you can to make yourself visible to the big guys. Even if a reflector didn't do much, I would feel better having it up there. I am hoping to do a test on my boat from another boat with a CRT, with and without reflector at different ranges. I know from running my radar that different boats give vastly different returns, but the best are from the bouys that have the chambers like the Davis (we call them Cormorant motels). Hal- I noticed that in your screen shot you don't have a "cone" at your location, are you mast mounted or pole? Excellent picture, how do you like color radar for night use, is there a different palette like on a plotter? John i put two up above my top spreader - they are round and attache to the stays - one on each side had an interesting example on why 2 - recently was coming north in the ocean and another sailboat was following me - we both had our sails up and as he went from my starboard to hard off my port as he went more towards land i lost his footprint on my radar at times - we had talked on radio a bit and i asked if he had 1 or 2 reflectors as as long as i could see the reflector my radar could track it but when his sail covered it - it was a spotty reception and at times i would lose his track all together - i tired using marpa but it would at times tell me no signal - 2 reflectors up high take care of that problem as well as the heeling problem just my opinion chuck and svsoulmates ki4sry on the hook cambridge md A Caution Radar deflectors in my opinion are one more of those aux gears you can have to make safe voyage passages (and yes I have on on my Barberis). However, nothing accounts more on a boat than standing proper visual watches - anywhere you transit. Odds are on a sailboat under sail - you are the one that needs to get out of the way - not the other way around. artbyjody said: However, nothing accounts more on a boat than standing proper visual watches - anywhere you transit. Odds are on a sailboat under sail - you are the one that needs to get out of the way - not the other way around. Click to expand... sailingdog said: Max-on's radar unit is an old CRT unit from about WWII. Click to expand... Here's an interesting study done on radar reflectors. Basically confirms that the age old Davis octahedral style is the best (and the cheapest). I will be adding this and AIS very soon. 1995 Radar Reflector Test Hal...great screen shot from your new Garmin! Thanks. Had a huge whalewatching boat on my transom once when we hit a "wall" of zero visibility, he reported that my cheap Davis reflector was working well and he'd give me a little more room as I'd requested. I could hear him getting closer to the point I couldn't hear anything ahead so I'd radio'd to make sure my "Tinfoil Hat" was working and ask him to back off. Without radar sometimes you have to keep watch with your ears. in a pinch....is it possible to hoist a mesh laundry bag full of crushed coke cans... Sort of a poor mans reflector...of course beer cans would work as well..??? I was going to mention the possibility of a tin foil hat as kind of a poor crazy man's reflector, but this seems like a serious discussion Click to expand... Well... thanks for everyone's reply and info.... and everything else. That was more than exepcted! Camaraderie, I like your screen shot! Cam- Wouldn't that be Grills with attached C400??? The big stone and brick BBQ Pit probably helps a lot with the radar return. Come on Dad, Let's say it together "Ya'll can just bite me!" I'd like to thank Chuck for the 2-reflectors story. I just bought a Beneteau 505 that came with the last small "piece" of a radar reflector still attached. I will definitely be replacing it with 2 reflectors. (Not sure how I'll get them above my top spreader, it HIGH up there!) - the other guy has radar
- the other guy has his radar turned on
- the other guy is looking at his radar
- your reflector is giving his radar a target
rikhall said: Greetings We are recreational sailors. We sail in New Brunswick, Canada and the coast of Maine. We see LOTS of fog. Click to expand... rikhall said: Never assume the radar reflector will keep you safe. Relying on a reflector assumes: the other guy has radar Click to expand... rikhall said: 2. the other guy has his radar turned on. Click to expand... rikhall said: 3. the other guy is looking at his radar Click to expand... rikhall said: 4. your reflector is giving his radar a target. Click to expand... Top Contributors this Month- Forums New posts Unanswered threads Register Top Posts Email
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Attaching Radar Reflector- Thread starter Head Sail
- Start date Jul 10, 2019
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My old radar reflector fell off after more than 6 years that I've had the boat. I bought a new reflector (spherical shape fins that attaches to my backstay). I have an adjustable split backstay so it has to mount above the split about 15' off the cockpit floor. My problem is how to get up there. I have a climbing harness and tried hauling a light weight lady up there with the main halyard while she was also attached to the backstay. This did not work since she couldn't get into a good working position to install the reflector. Any other ideas? SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John- 6ft Step ladder in the cockpit.
- Take mast down and attach while standing on solid ground.
Find out what your local yard charges for a guy on a crane. I was planning to swing out to the end of my spreaders to attach a couple of those cylinder reflectors, when the guy who was going to haul me up said that the local yard would send a guy up the crane for about $50. I didn't bother going! With a split backstay, you ought to be able to get an extension ladder from the cockit to the split then attach the RD above the split somewhat. Interesting observation tfox. I was thinking along those lines also. Radar reflectors have been around a long time. Modern radar sensitivity itself has improved greatly since the first radar reflectors thus possibly making them obsolete. One the other hand, it can't hurt to have one...unless I fall off the ladder! I'm not a radar expert, but there are some on this board so let's see what they say. From my limited understanding, however, radar has a sweet spot that is BETWEEN two ranges. Everyone thinks about the outer range (picking a return out a five or ten miles), but forget that close-in objects also disappear. At only a quarter mile, I wonder if you were too close to that C38 to get a good paint, but may have had better imaging at one mile. Parsons said: I'm not a radar expert, but there are some on this board so let's see what they say. From my limited understanding, however, radar has a sweet spot that is BETWEEN two ranges. Everyone thinks about the outer range (picking a return out a five or ten miles), but forget that close-in objects also disappear. At only a quarter mile, I wonder if you were too close to that C38 to get a good paint, but may have had better imaging at one mile. Click to expand Note. Rigging, mast, angle from target, type of reflection, gain setting, type of radar, boat design, boat materials, all of these have an impact on the display of a target. I doubt that you can distinguish the rigging from a Davis reflector. You need to continually practice in daylight and clear air to begin to get a understanding of what is reflecting to your display. I turn on my system and sit in the marina. Try to differentiate the reflected blips. Most time it is a lot of "Clutter". I can see the islands and the open paths of water. That is where I would head in the event I was moving in a fog. As I get closer to the marina, there is a lot of confusion I believe generated by bouncing off my signal against the navy ships. Sometimes I think the ship guys are screwing with my signal. They are a big wall of green. But you turn your view and you can see open water up the river. It is a practiced learning task. A Catalina 38 looks pretty much like a 28 foot fishing boat and a 33 ft Cal sailboat. I try to avoid hitting the green blobs on my radar. The British seem to be very concerned about radar reflectors and their efficiency. A quick search found 2 interesting articles. I've only skimmed them. https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2007-Radar-Reflector-Test.pdf https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/ins...20/filebank/reflector_performance_ym_june.pdf I was told years ago that the best radar reflector on a sail boat was a one gallon jug of water hoisted up in the rigging. I have no idea if there is truth to that or not. Maybe someone here that has radar and have someone do this and find out how well it works... Just a thought... dj tfox2069 said: ...Two weeks ago, in broad daylight, I had a Catalina 38 motor past me with its Davis radar reflector up above its spreaders, in plain unobstructed view of my radar. You can see the boat, less than 1/4 mile away, on my port bow as the yellow blob. By contrast, you can see a buoy with its own reflectors (admittedly more than the Davis) in the upper left of the photo. When I zoomed out I was surprised to find that other boats painted a very similar profile to the Catalina with the Davis reflector, essentially indicating no significant difference with or without the reflector... View attachment 167017 Click to expand dlochner said: The British seem to be very concerned about radar reflectors and their efficiency. /QUOTE] Probably because they sail in bad weather a lot. I'm reading Ellen MacArthur's tome Taking On the World and in her circumnavigation of Great Britain there was a lot of fog. And when it wasn't foggy it was raining. Visibility was usually poor. Click to expand We installed a "tubular" reflector many years ago, on a shroud just above a spreader end. Wired on, and I recently was hoisted up on a chair to inspect it. According to tests published in magazines, this is not quite as good as a spherical one deployed in the correct "catch rain" orientation on the backstay. However.... any reflector at all is mega-better than nothing. (!) We use our radar in foggy conditions and it's interesting how many other boats -- small and not-so-small -- do not return a consistent echo. IMHO, another case of not allowing theoretical perfection to get in the way of doing some good. Picture of a similar one attached. Attachmentsshemandr said: But in the screen shot you can see the Catalina 38 with the Davis reflector and not the other boats you found on zooming. It seems to me that the Davis reflector WAS effective in lighting up your radar on the 1/2 nm zoom level and the other boats weren't - No? Click to expand FastOlson said: We installed a "tubular" reflector many years ago, on a shroud just above a spreader end. Wired on, and I recently was hoisted up on a chair to inspect it. According to tests published in magazines, this is not quite as good as a spherical one deployed in the correct "catch rain" orientation on the backstay. However.... any reflector at all is mega-better than nothing. (!) We use our radar in foggy conditions and it's interesting how many other boats -- small and not-so-small -- do not return a consistent echo. IMHO, another case of not allowing theoretical perfection to get in the way of doing some good. Picture of a similar one attached. Click to expand Read this thread earlier today but didn't have time to reply; however, here it goes: What FastOlson (#14) said about the "rain catch" position is important. Look at the technical specs and the Davis works best in the rain catch position. If the Catalina in the radar picture didn't have their's installed in the optimum position it won't be reflecting as well as it could. We've got our Davis on the split backstay and I had to use U-bolts to get it like that. One good thing about the split backstay where the reflector is mounted shortly above the split is the single cable from the masthead doesn't turn so the reflector stays in the position where it was mounted. With regard to Headsail's installation question, since he has the boat in or near Tacoma, our area has some good tide swings (just finished the max swing for the summer), so a suggestion would be to go find a dock somewhere, set the boat up alongside, go up on the dock and do the installation. Might have to do some wiggling with the stern to reach the stay but that should be high enough. Another thing to keep in mind is the radar return signal doesn't work as well on things that are wet, such as wet sails, so if the reflector is on the opposite side of the sail then the return signal will be degraded or not present. Wood, and especially wet wood, is not a good reflector. Just south of the Narrows Bridge (Tacoma) are a couple mooring buoys to the side of the main channel. There is a rock quarry on the shore and they moor their wood barges on. the moorings. Years ago I was motoring in pea-soup fog on that side and had a big surprise. These barges are probably a hundred or so feet long and appeared to be made out of timber akin to railroad ties but of course longer. Don't know if they're still used there 'cuz it's been a while but it was a shock (to see it, not run into it). Running in pea soup I've thought it would be good to have one-each of those tubular-type reflectors on the port and starboard stays to complement the Davis. Just haven't done it yet. We also have the Standard Horizon automatic fog horn setup but would like to connect a high-powered air horn to the system as the existing doesn't meet the Col Regs for db. More hurdles to overcome. tfox2069 said: I would say that you cannot assume hoisting a Radar reflector is “mega better” than not hoisting one. Have a friend with radar show you what you really look like. Click to expand · Based on the results of this report it is recommended that yachtsmen always fit a radar reflector that offers the largest RCS practicable for their vessel. · The RCS of the radar reflector should have a minimum consistent RCS of 2m2. · The Sea-Me is the recommended product if power is available · If power is not available then the passive Large Tri-Lens reflector is recommended · The 4” tube reflector is not considered suitable due to its poor performance. It is also recommended that the 2” tube reflector is not suitable since the performance of this target will be even lower. · It is recommended that poorly performing radar reflectors are not fitted as it is possible that the user could be lulled into a false sense of security believing that their chances of detection has been enhanced. Click to expand - I believe the last recommendation is the most important one. This article was in Panbo a few years ago. The Echomax 230i is an interesting design. It is inflatable, is easy to store, and weighs less than other similar designs. https://www.panbo.com/the-passive-radar-reflector-solution-for-sailboats/
dlochner said: The recommendations from the report on the US Sailing website: I believe the last recommendation is the most important one. This article was in Panbo a few years ago. The Echomax 230i is an interesting design. It is inflatable, is easy to store, and weighs less than other similar designs. https://www.panbo.com/the-passive-radar-reflector-solution-for-sailboats/ Click to expand - This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies. Accept Learn more…
Yachting MonthlyUpdated guidance on fitting a radar reflector to boats under 15m- Katy Stickland
- November 15, 2022
The Maritime and Coastguard Agency has updated its guidance and is urging all owners of boats under 15m/49.2ft to fit a radar reflector All boats less than 15m/49.2ft and under 150 gross tonnage should permanently carry a radar reflector. according to the Maritime and Coastguard Agency. Credit: Graham Snook/Yachting Monthly The Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) has updated its guidance on the use of a radar reflector on boats less than 15m/49.2ft and under 150 gross tonnage. Marine Guidance Notice (MGN) 349 states that a radar reflector or radar target enhancer should be permanently installed, and offer the largest radar cross section (RCS) as practical for the vessel. Commercial ships use radar equipment that operates in the ‘X’ band (9GHz) and the ‘S’ band (3GHz). A radar reflector on a recreational boat should have a RCS of at least 7.5m² at X-Band and 0.5m² at S-band when mounted at a minimum height of four metres above sea level. Just because you have a radar reflector, doesn’t mean you will be seen. Always keep a proper lookout, advises the MCA. Credit: Graham Snook/Yachting Monthly The RCS should be maintained over a total angle of at least 280° of azimuth and not below this level over any angles greater than 10° (a null). There should not be a distance of less than 20° between nulls. For power driven vessels and sailing vessels designed to operate with little heel, such as a catamaran or trimaran, this performance should be maintained through angles of (athwartships) heel 10° either side of vertical. For other vessels, the radar reflector should maintain this performance over 20° either side of vertical. Any radar reflector meeting the above requirements should comply with ISO 8729-1:2010. If the radar reflector meeting these standards are unsuitable for boats under 15m LOA, then owners are recommended to fit a radar reflector to the older standard EN ISO 8729:1998, which has been retained for type approval under the Marine Equipment Regulations (MSN 1874) for radar reflectors for lifeboats and rescue boats. It should be noted that Echomax has emailed Yachting Monthly to say it has contacted the MCA to express concern over their mention of ISO 8729-1:2010, as currently, there are no known passive radar reflectors which meet ISO 8729-1:2010 which has a volume limit of 0.5m3 and weight limit of 5kg. In response, the MCA said: ‘The notice will not be amended as it can’t be confirmed 100% that there are no products of this type currently on the market, but it is highly likely during our research that this is the case. In reference to 3.1.3 of the amended MGN: ‘3.1.3 However the above standard results in a large reflector that may be unsuitable for vessels under 15m overall length, in which case Owners and skippers of craft less than 15m overall length are recommended to consider fitting a radar reflector to the older standard EN ISO 8729:1998, which has been retained for type approval under the Marine Equipment Regulations (MSN 1874) for radar reflectors for lifeboats & rescue boats.’ EN ISO 8729:1998 remains in force until a product is placed on the market approved to ISO 8729:1.’ Continues below… AIS vs radar: Do you really need both?AIS and chartplotters have come a long way in the last decade, but are they enough to replace radar? Jonty… Yacht Radar: How to find your way in any weatherTo the uninitiated, radar can seem like a dark art. The splurge of blobs would look more at home in… Expert advice: boat navigationGood seamanship starts with excellent navigation skills. Yachting Monthly experts share their top tips for a smooth passage Why a yacht makes the best liferaftA liferaft is reassuring, but only to be used as an absolute last resort. James Stevens explores the main scenarios… The MCA is also advising skippers that in certain circumstances, their boat may still not be readily visible on ships’ radars, even when fitted with a radar reflector or a radar target enhancer, and that this does not replace the need for a proper lookout at all times. MGN 349 was initially published following the deaths of three sailors aboard the Sailfish 25, Ouzo overnight on 20-21 August 2006. Rupert Saunders, 36, Jason Downer, 35, and James Meaby, 36, all died when their yacht was sunk six miles south of St Catherine’s Point on the Isle of Wight after a collision with the P&O ro-ro ferry Pride of Bilbao . Radar reflectors should be mounted at a minimum height of four metres above sea level. Credit: Graham Snook/Yachting Monthly A report by the Marine Accident Investigation Branch ( MAIB ) found that Ouzo had not shown up on the ferry’s radars and the bridge team on Pride of Bilbao had not seen the yacht until is was very close ahead. The officer on watch made a last minute manoeuvre to avoid Ouzo and believed he had been successful, although he did not contact the yacht crew to confirm this, and instead relied on seeing, what he thought, was the yacht’s stern light. The MAIB concluded that the Pride of Bilbao had collided with Ouzo , or passed so close that the yacht had been swamped or capsized by the ferry’s wash. The yacht was never recovered. The MAIB did commission a report by QinetiQ to carry out research into a number of common types of radar reflectors to compare performance with International Standards (ISO 8729). The recommendations included: - Using a Sea-Me radar reflector where power is available;
- Making sure the RCS of the radar reflector was a minimum of 2 m²
- Not using a 4” or 2” tube reflector due to its poor performance.
Details of MGN 349 can be found here. Details of the full MAIB report into the sinking of Ouzo and the QinetiQ Radar Reflector report can be found here. Please note this article was updated on 23 November 2022 after YM was contacted by Echomax about the updated MGN 349 guidance, to inform us that there are currently no known passive radar reflectors which meet ISO 8729-1 which has a limit of 0.5m3 and 5kg. Enjoyed reading Updated guidance on fitting a radar reflector to boats under 15m?A subscription to Yachting Monthly magazine costs around 40% less than the cover price . Print and digital editions are available through Magazines Direct – where you can also find the latest deals . YM is packed with information to help you get the most from your time on the water. - Take your seamanship to the next level with tips, advice and skills from our experts
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Follow us on Facebook , Twitter and Instagram. The Marine Electronics Hub The Passive Radar Reflector Solution for Sailboatsby Dan Corcoran · July 21, 2011 July 2006, Block Island Sound is enveloped in patchy fog, two radar-equipped sailboats pass within 20 feet after failing to detect each other despite calm waters. Neither vessel had a radar reflector hoisted. July 2009, chaos on Block Island Sound as fog descends on hundreds of recreational boaters, skippers constantly calling out on VHF 9 & 16 in attempts to avoid collision. A ferry and a coast guard ship actually do collide . In the melee, just 1 of every 35 boats is sporting a radar reflector. July 2010, dozens of boats make their way through hours of heavy rain and thunderstorms into Nantucket Island, and only 2 have radar reflectors. May 30, 2011, 30 sailboats travel in heavy fog across Long Island Sound from Huntington to Saugatuck, the heavy fog was forecast…the number of boats sporting radar reflectors…just one. Geez, when did safety slip to the bottom of sailor’s priority list? Are radar reflectors so difficult to use? Too confusing maybe? Or is there an overall lack of faith they are worth the effort to hoist? It seems like nearly all sailors in the Northeast fail to use their radar reflectors. On foggy days in the northeast USA I have observed, at most, 1 in 35 sailboats sporting a radar reflector, and among them most had severe limitations being fixed mount, too small, not kept level, and more than half a combination of all three limitations . Comparatively, 90% of over 50 sailors I informally surveyed, claim to own a radar reflector, in a locker, somewhere. 100% of them described a Davis or Davis-like design . 0% have used them. Well, no more excuses! The Echomax 230 I Inflatable passive radar reflector is an easy to deploy reflector with no sharp edges, no confusing instructions, and although big, is so soft and cuddly you can leave it up in your rigging days on end without worries and be assured, when bad weather appears, the radar cross section of your sailboat becomes significantly increased making it easier to be seen by others around you. This product was designed for use on a life raft after storage in a ditch bag, but I have found that it overcomes the barriers to continuous use of reflectors on sailboats, as proven on my sailboat after five seasons and 3400 nm of sailing in the Northeast. There are numerous articles written about passive radar reflectors defining how performance should be measured, limitations of various designs, and some exposing that various products are entirely or partially ineffective. Not too much new has been written recently. The articles going back to 1991 could be summed up as follows: - Radar reflectors don’t provide a uniform reflection around their perimeter; there are high and low points around a 360 degree arc , for instance.
- Radar reflector performance is measured as radar cross-section (RCS) in square meters. An RCS of 10 is considered to be an acceptable value for reflection performance, the point at which another ship’s radar will reliably paint a protected boat on an operator’s display.
- There is no substitute for having a big radar reflector as no fancy design (yet discovered) can enable a small radar reflector to be as effective as a larger one. The result is that reflectors that are large enough to deliver an RCS of 10 across much of a 360 degree arc around your boat, need to be of sizes like 16 inches round or larger.
- Even at these sizes, the majority of products on the market don’t achieve a minimum acceptable level of RCS > 10 in all directions around the boat without some degree of care by the owner to maintain correct orientation.
- Various fancy designs are better overall across a 360 degree arc than others . Such designs known as “octahedral-type reflectors” mounted in the “double catch rain position” are measured to be the most uniform around a 360 degree arc and therefore, make your boat more likely to be seen.
- The David Echomaster is an example of such a design, but it becomes ineffective if tilted even a few degrees from the double catch rain position, as the reflected radar energy is greatly reduced. (Page 28, Report on the investigation and loss of the sailing yacht Ouzo, Marine accident investigation branch, United Kingdom, April 2007 ).
It was in fact the David Echomaster I decided on in 2006 for my new 39 foot sailboat. It had the prerequisite of being large, had the best overall performance, and I convinced myself I could keep it in the double catch rain position so it would be effective. I kept it stored in a locker folded up in the protective plastic pouch it comes in, ready to be deployed. And there it sat and I never used it. Each time I should have, it remained in the locker. Either I had too many other things to attend to during bad weather, it was unsafe for me to be on deck or I was in the state of mind that I could use my own radar to keep distance between me and the other boats nearby. Three near collisions later, I was nervous. I purchased an active radar reflector at a West Marine closeout, but then returned it due to the difficulty in installation, its weight and the serious limitations it had interacting with more than one radar at close range. That winter I began to seriously look at my original second choice, an EchoMax 230. I originally didn’t like that the product was huge and that the best position to mount it was forward of my mast where it would disrupt the wind from attaching to the mainsail. Also the weight of the reflector and mounts aloft were undesirable. But, it had no sharp edges and could be left up all the time, insuring that it would be used when needed. As I was checking the vendor’s site for a purchase, I came across the EchoMax 230 I inflatable. It was designed for inclusion in a ditch bag, to be inflated in an emergency on board a life raft. It sounded ideal for hoisting on a flag halyard as I had originally planned for the Davis product, but absent sharp edges meant I could leave it in the rigging unattended whenever I was underway, good weather or bad. This would have many advantages: - I could hoist it at the start of every cruising trip, and with a line run from the bottom of the reflector to the deck, change it’s angle to match the heel of my boat to keep level with the horizon.
- Unlike a fixed mast mount, it would not disturb air on the leading edge of my mainsail (reducing sailing performance).
- Good weather or poor, sailing or motoring, my sailboat would be visible to other ships radar.
I emailed the manufacturer telling them this was how I would use it, and if they thought it was durable enough that I could get at least a year out of it. I was told my application was unique, but they would warranty it for a year if I would underinflate it so there is room to expand on hot days. What a difference, although its big (size is of tantamount importance) I actually used it all season and was comfortable leaving it up full time. This inflatable: - was used 100% of the time in bad weather from 2007 through its fifth season on board this year. This is due in large part to the little effort required to set it up as part of my routine before setting sail, effectively insuring it’s just there when conditions of night or fog come to pass. Also, with the soft sides it feels non-threatening to set it up.
- although made out of plastic, it appears no worse for the wear in its fifth seasons, even though it has been up there in some pretty violent winds, thunderstorms, and was accidentally left up in October 2007 during a brutal nor-easter (having forgotten to take it down).
- being an “ octahedral -type reflector” mounted in the “double catch rain position”, provides the best of the various designs available for passive radar reflector. (e.g. 360 degree coverage arc)
- is fairly easy to keep in the required vertical position when sailing by moving a lead from the bottom of the reflector to various positions in the rigging, and it stays in that vertical position during pretty strong winds.
- positioned off the flag halyard, it doesn’t interfere with the wind going across my sails as it would have in a fixed mount, and has never become tangled with my rigging.
- When I queried various vessels underway, including ferries, tow boats, tug boats, and recreational powerboats, they all replied that my sailboat was visible on their radar. I received that same positive response from ferries during heavy rain off Nantucket in 2009, in conditions when radar performance is very poor with limited ranges of only a couple miles.
- In rendezvous with Gizmo last week, Ben was able to compare my sailboat with and without the reflector raised, using a Raymarine HD radar. He was able to confirm the reflector is effective in making Breeze Pleeze more noticable on radar, even with five years of use (the reflector was designed to be stored until needed). In our rendezvous I was next to a large buoy, then out among other sailboats one mile, two, then many miles from Gizmo. In our tests the reflector was partially deflated (to allow room to expand when warm), was 15 feet above the deck hanging from a flag halyard (see picture), and was tilted about 5-10 degrees due to the angle of the wind across the deck. (maximum reflection is achieved when it is level)
The only faults I can find with EchoMax 230 I is a need for lateral reinforcement for continuous use (which is easily added with a bit of line between top and bottom as illustrated in this PDF ), better labeling (how about writing “reflector” in big letters) so other mariners understand what it is, and the warranty is far too short considering it looks like new after five years and a dozen storms. In the area of faults, the marketing is awful, the manufacturer grossly missed the mark when targeting this product for emergency grab bags for life rafts. Without a doubt, this product is a superb solution for the common sailboat and belongs up in the rigging of most every sailboat from the moment it is underway if there is any chance of poor weather. – Dan Corcoran is an avid sailor and leads ServiceSPAN , a back office work center automation technology company. {That’s his sloop Breeze Pleeze as a solid MARPA target on Gizmo’s radar.} Related Posts:34 ResponsesI have the The Firdell Blipper model on our sailboat, although this model tesing turns our to be disappointing we do not sail in an area that has much fog…Miami, FL… Here is a link to an old but very detailed test done on many radar reflectors… http://offshore.ussailing.org/Assets/Offshore/SAS+Studies/radar+reflector+tests.pdf I wouldn’t claim our testing was definitive, but I definitely saw Dan’s radar target weaken and then strengthen again when he doused and then reset the EchoMax 230I. We did it at one mile and then again at two, and the Raymarine RD418HD held onto its MARPA target for a long time as we drove away in opposite directions. Breeze Pleeze also looked bigger than nearby boats, even though she wasn’t, and that’s a good thing! As I once yakked about in a magazine article about radar reflectors: http://goo.gl/oSJPB At any rate, I think Dan’s done great work identifying a product that overcomes some of the problems of smaller reflectors and proving that it holds up even though it wasn’t really intended for this use. Thanks, Dan! I consider the MAB report on Ouzo to be definitive. Since then there have been some half hearted attempts to justify other products, with little effect on the market. Why are so few sailboats flying these reflectors? Because inadequate is no better than useless. When a product passes the rigourous testing defined in the Ouzo report, I will buy it. But anecdotal evidence doesn’t get it. Dan I like your work and respect your opinion, but did you ask those tug captains if any other sailboats were visible? And I doubt an average work-horse tug or thirty year old ferry is going to maintain the radar capabilities of Gizmo. Hell, we can’t get many of them to install AIS! I seem to remember a group test some years ago that concluded that a trash bag full of rumpled aluminium foil , hoisted up , was as good as the better refectors Dave I have a motor yacht but Dan’s evidence convinces me. Although I’m sure my boat has a bigger radar reflection ability that the average sail boat I’ve had times when we have not shown up on another vessels’ radar. Our AIS signal was the only indication they had of our presence. I’ve ordered a Echomax and I’ll report back after a few months of using it. Sandy wrote “Dan I like your work and respect your opinion, but did you ask those tug captains if any other sailboats were visible?” Glad you asked, in fact I did. In all of six unrelated communications (with professional working boats) I have been told either I appeared “larger than I should” for a sailboat, larger than nearby boats, “strong”, or some combination of the three. In each instance it was in good weather. I also have experience in bad weather, weather that dramatically increases the challenge of being seen on radar, and I credit this reflector in combination with carefully using my own radar for enabling safe passage. The best example, my family was most unhappy with. I got us caught in continuous rain and heavy thunderstorms traveling 20nm from Hyannis, MA to Nantucket in July 2009. Although not fun, it provided me an important data point as the rain was really heavy, the seas were 4 feet, and nearby fast ferries would confirm we are visible and in one case mistook us for another ferry. The heavy rain impaired my own radar, a 2kw 18” dome at the time, limiting my range to two miles before becoming all noise, within the two mile range it barely showed a 30 foot power boat 500 yards to the east on a course parallel to me. The ferries however were unmistakable on radar, out to about 2 miles. Unable to see the bow of my boat in the afternoon rain, I was near panic when the first northbound ferry approached quickly and head on, closing half the distance it was visible on the radar in half a minute. I hailed her on VHF, and received a confirmation I was visible on her radar, the powerboat however was not. After finding how friendly these folks can be, I made a point to talk to each ferry as it approached and scooted over a 1/4 mile east of the apparent path the ferries were following. Although I was no longer in the way after moving east, a northbound ferry would later reprimanded “me” (identified my boat relative to the position of a nearby buoy) for not answering on another VHF channel and for not following the correct company course. The confusion ended in apology and remark that he believed my boat was another ferry from his company based on a strong return from the radar. I can’t emphasize enough, that size matters when it comes to these radar reflectors and this reflector is quite large. I’ve been using the Lensref 8″ diam. reflector for a long time, and with good success. Sadly it is no longer made, but they ARE effective reflectors to use for a sailboat heeled at any angle. Maine fog is often thick and this reflector has done well, judging from reports I get from all kinds of vessels that can easily see me on their radar. The design is unusual: a very compact and wind-resistant sphere. Hi Sandy, We were sent the MAIB report before it was published for our comments as my EM230 was one of those tested. Following our comments they altered three or four of their statements but there were still other opinions expressed which we did not agree with, here are some of them. The EM230 tested had no serial number so was more than 6 years old and was not of latest design. We started numbering the units as soon as we obtained the Ships Wheel Mark in September 2005. The MAIB rang many chandlers to get them to check their stock to verify that all stock on the shelves were numbered. They refused to make this note on the published report. They refused to acknowledge John Firths,the echomax inventors preferred method of fitting for sailing yachts which was suspension from the cross trees of halyard which enables compensation at heel and virtually eliminates mast shadow. Their answer being we supply mast brackets which are requested by the public, our dealers and sold by our competitors. Our website and literature states the clear advantages of suspension. The MAIB/OUSO conclusion that the Trilens was the best reflector was surprising bearing in mind it had virtually half the SPL in the vertical whereas the EM230 had a SPL of 4.7M2. All motor vessels and cats are positioned around the vertical so how can a reflector with half the response be the best one for these craft? Had the MAIB taken on board John Firths preferred fitting for sailing craft then virtually all the 4.7M2 would have been available for sailing yachts. Recent tests by one of our popular sailing magazines found that there was no discernable difference at heel. In this test the EM230 came out best buy as it was still responding at 7.3 miles when they ceased the trails. The MAIB refused to acknowledge that the Echomax symmetrical array excites during real sea conditions. This fact was well documented in the MCA/QinetiQ sea trials in January 02 where the EM230 at 5 miles plus recorded 100% paints at X band and 80% plus at S band. QinetiQ stated that the S band results defied all the laws of physics and at their request two further EM230 were sent to their anechoic chamber for testing which confirmed the sea trial results. This was attributed to John Firths ‘Glint effect’ which is a reaction of the phases, rather like the mirror on the hill scenario. Echomax is one of the very few radar reflector manufacturers in the world to publish independent data on each and every product it makes. The EM230-400 are taken regularly by the US Navy and other foreign navies for target use. The EM305PE is fitted by the US Nuclear Subs, Hawaii. Regds John There is also the following report published by MAIB but carried out by QinetiQ: http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Radar%20reflectors%20report.pdf The preface says that it also was created following the Ouzo accident but this is a radar reflector for pleasure craft comparison, not an accident report. This test also includes an electronic X-band radar target enhancer (RTE), the Sea-me, which compares favorably to all passive reflectors, especially in that it is less affected by angles of heel. Since the report, 3 other models of RTE have entered the market so that there are now two models each from the manufacturers Sea-me and Echomax. Each company offers a X-band only model and a combined X- and S-band model. A yachtig magazine (unfortunately I can’t find it right now, it would have been either Yachting Monthly or Sailing Today) tested the X-band models of both manufacturers against each other and found the Echomax superior because it has equal or better RCS but significantly less power consumption. There is no test that I know of of the combined X- and S-band models. An RTE, apparently, should go on a sailboat’s mast top (not sure exactly why but it seems they all are). With a passive reflector, that is probably not the best location because it is waving around too much so the return, while it may be good, apprears in different places on subsequent scans of the radar and therefore, may fall victim to seaclutter suppression. Mounting it on deck level is not recommended either, for reasons of range, so the truth is probably somewhere in between, wich, on a sailboat, would mean something like halfway up the mast. A passive reflector that is hidden behind metal, like a mast, is ineffective, no matter it’s RCS. Given all this, I can see why Dan’s setup works well (halfway up the mast, away from the mast, large) but still I would much prefer a fixed mount close to the mast on my own boat. From the reports above and the tests that I know of, I have concluded that in order to be more or less sure to be seen, you must carry an electronic RTE. As everything electronic can fail, you are well advised to also have a passive reflector but this is intended as a backup. My criteria for a passive reflector are: – because of it’s function as a backup, it does not have to offer the highest RCS – It should work well when mounted directly to the mast – It’s performance should be affected by heel as little as possible – I will accept low performance but it must be reliable performance This is why I am planning on a Trilens Standard size mounted to the foward side of the mast, halfway up. The Trilens extends outside of the mast profile so I expect resonable performance even with a radar looking at me from dead astern. This will go with an Echomax X-S-band RTE. The RTE will go on the mast top. There is an expensive but nifty combined anchor- and tricolor LED navigation light by Hella Marine ( http://www.hellamarine.com/default.asp?a=3&t=3&View=FullStory&productID=792&pcid=191 ) that allows another device to be mounted on top of it and the cables of the other device to pass through the center of the light. I think this would work with the RTE and this will avoid problems with partially blocking the light with the RTE. I recently purchased a motor cruiser in Wales and brought it to France. The first thing I did before leaving was to fit a Echomax 230 (rigid not inflatable). This purchase decision was made following months of research including reading the Ouzo Report. I am amazed at the number of boats that do not have radar reflectors fitted or rely upon the cheap (and totally ineffective) tubular products. Despite being described as such in the Qinetic report, this reflector is still on sale in most chandleries in Europe. Does a 46′ aluminum sailboat with a tall carbon fiber mast and aluminum radar mast need a passive reflector? A question for Dan, Have you had a look at / considered, the active reflectors. As Henning mentioned above, Echomax & Sea-Me now both have dual X- & S-band active reflectors (RTEs). Looking at the spec.s for power usage, they both look fairly low draws: the Echomax product spec.s from 23mA up to 200mA draw, depending on how many radar “hits” you are experiencing. The PBO magazine test linked through the Echomax website says that 5 active radar hits draws about 23mA from the single X-band device, 10 draws 32mA, etc. To me that seems like a pretty low current draw for the huge extra safety gained. Even at an average 40mA draw, the device is only drawing 1Ahr every 24 hours – seems like a no-brainer to me. And, if combined with an AIS transceiver, I would think it would create a “hard to miss” envelope. If you did look at RTEs, why did you dismiss them? And would you reconsider them given current products (the Echomax products were not around when you installed your passive device). BTW, thanks for bringing this topic back up. We’ve been sailing without a reflector because all the testing I had read convinced me that they weren’t worth bothering with. I think that with the newer products (esp RTEs), there are now products that make it silly not to have one up all the time. We’ll be putting an Echomax Active-XS on our boat, with a backup inflatable such as you use. Cheers, Paul. Taniwha/Paul : As I wrote above (more detail here), I purchased an active radar reflector (See-Me) at a West Marine closeout (at $49, it was practically free in 2006), but then returned it (buyer’s remorse) due to the difficulty in installation (many), its weight (including cables) and the serious limitations it had interacting with more than one radar at close range. I am not familiar with how RTE’s improved in the last two years. While I am not inclined to think about RTE for myself since the Echomax inflatable is doing it for me, I applaud your interest in including a reflector/RTE solution for your boat AND a transceiver based (not just receiver) AIS. More boats need to be equipped with this safety gear. Hi Dan, Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the redundancy in the question: I had read that post of your, but then I got engrossed with the report in the link that you posted, and then with the Echomax & Sea-Me websites, and by the time I wrote the post I had forgotten about your comments on the Sea-Me(that’s one of the dangers in skipping around a few different websites whilst researching a topic). Thanks for posting a great topic and discussion starter. Cheers, Paul. P.S. our yacht’s name is Taniwha, hence the user name. SOLAS does not distinguish between metal, wooden or glass fibre vessels. When viewed from the bowes or stern the vessel would have a very low radar cross section so it would be wise to ignore the composition of the hull and for safety sake fit a passive reflector with the largest possible RCS and also an RTE if budget permits. I have a question… I own a 40ft steel trawler with a 14ft beam and 24ft mast. The entire thing is made of steel. Do I still need a radar reflector? I frequently cruise near the major shipping lanes in the Great Lakes and I always wondered how visible I was to commercial traffic. I just always assumed that a big steel box would have a pretty significant radar return. Curious… Message for Albatross/Alabtross The radar signature of a vessel is governed by the number of radar emmissions that are received back by the interrogating radar. If the radar is fitted with ARPA then you need a hit rate of 50% plus to be shown on the radar screen. Beam on the vessel may have a radar image of several hundred or thousand M2 but this will be a spiked image and not neccessarily a consistent one. However the same vessel with a sleek bow or stern and slanting cabin may only have a very limited radar image when viewed bowes or stern on. I only know of one sea trial where a small glass fibre sailing yacht had a beam on spikey inconsistent image of around a hundred M2 but its bowes on was limited to single figures. The responses were generated from the cooker,engine and mast etc. A vessels radar image can easily be tested by approaching a known vessel from about 8-10 miles to see when and what appears on their radar screen.To test the stern response you would steam away from the interrogating radar. This is how the benefits of a passive reflector or RTE can be seen. Stealth bombers are very large but have virtually no radar image as none of the radar signals are returned to the transmitting radar. Likewise the US nuclear subs although 300ft steel objects are basically like large tubes so have a very low radar image when surfaced. Perhaps a word of caution that all sea trials are subjective and weather and sea state can vary the results substantially at any given time. No two tests will be the same. Re Michaels Mast radar reflection image An aluminium mast in a vertical position would give some radar reflective response however at heel would have none. I know of no tests that have been carried out on carbon fibre but suspect it would respond with same qualities as alluminium. Here’s another vote for AIS transponder. We have sailed with one now for 18 months. We also have a radar and use it in conditions of reduced vis. We usually see other sailboats at least 3 miles away and often they do not have radar relectors. I have not tried an inflatable radar reflector but would like to see a much more definitive test before buying one. So many great looking designs of passive reflectors have turned out to be not very effective (such as the tube ones). The Sea Me active one is commonly used here in Europe where I would guess that more than 50% of boats have some form of reflector. But nowadays the ships are relying more on AIS and offshore in any kind of seaway I think all passive radar reflectors are going to be largely ineffective. Why not get an AIS transponder? Not so expensive and ALL ships will see you guaranteed. I think the best way to determine and understand your own visibility would be to have someone else take your boat to see and you follow in a boat with a similar radar setup. Nothing would prove more valuable than “seeing yourself as others see you”, because I think general statements about visibility to radar have to be understood selectively. You may find, for instance, that at certain angles of heel and bearing, your boat “paints” well and effectively vanishes at others. Knowing this, you could take action to “reveal” yourself to traffic. Or you could get an AIS, I suppose. I have a steel pilothouse with a fairly high aft deck. While I “paint” quite well, as expected, I can see how in heavy seas, my cambered deck and relatively modest aluminum mast might not reflect as well as I assume to be. Some additional thoughts: 1) Paul implied we just use AIS, really? I don’t believe AIS is a substitute for a good radar reflector and that his experience at usually seeing sailboats at 3 miles in reduced vis, is normal. Maybe Paul is an exceptionally talented radar user, has a BR24 or Raymarine HD, or maybe reduced vis is just light rain and seas less than 3 feet? I feel AIS won’t help a sailboat such as mine to avoid collisions with other boats that don’t use AIS, as a passive reflector would. I consider the use of all three (radar, a passive reflector, and AIS) as complimentary with little overlap in achieving my goals of collision avoidance. For example the AIS transceiver on my boat does little to help me avoid collisions with recreational vessels under 40 feet that don’t have one. 2) I had a great conversation with John Simpson after the article was published and received some interesting insights and issues around the world. (Thanks John). He is not entirely comfortable with my recommendation, one of the reasons they don’t promote this product for everyday use (only emergencies) is that it isn’t puncture resistant. Mine doesn’t have a scratch after five years, and is less fragile I think than my old metal Davis. Would you all agree with me that puncture resistance is not a necessary trait of a radar reflector? Would that be a concern for anyone? 3) John believes RTE’s are a much better solution for sailboats, especially those without the ability to power a radar. I scoffed at that initially (due to cost, just use a passive + AIS was my answer), but John justified his position well. As valuable as it is to have your own radar for use in collision avoidance, many sailboats don’t have the power available to do so, and in those cases an RTE offers additional valuable benefits over a passive reflector. John pointed out that RTE gives you an alert that other boats are nearby painting you with X or S band radar, RTE requires much less power than a radar, and the far greater intensity will reliably be detected by another ships radar on every sweep, insuring your boat appears on radar sets that use ARPA. After speaking with John, I suppose if I didn’t have a radar I would seriously consider RTE. 4) A commenter above suggested doing a boat swap? Really? I can’t see how you would get an objective measure of your boats viability on radar thru such efforts, and wouldn’t your day just be better spent enjoying your boat? If professional testing organizations are challenged to test on the water (which has lead to many confusing results being published over the years) you and I don’t stand a chance. The primary issue is that our radar sets don’t report back a number value we can read of the radar energy returned and compare that to the recommended amount to be seen in bad weather. What we do know is that virtually all recreational boats are below half the recommended radar cross section performance for a passive reflectors. Within reason, none of us have any reason to believe our boat is an exception. Even forty foot metal hulled recreational boats don’t reflect 10 square meters in all directions, for example in the arc from 0-80 degrees either side of the bow, I would suspect the curved surfaces of a metal boat are rather stealthy as they reflect radar energy out to the side, into the water, or sky. I agree with John Simpson. An RTE is the most effective way to announce our presence. AIS B will alert Solas Vessels over 300T and give our position, heading and course on even the oldest AIS A units, but smaller vessels are a threat. We are still assuming they have radar. I believe that a passive reflector does more harm than good by giving crews a false assurance of safety. It only has to be inadequate one time to make a tragedy. Side note; I had a customer who was adamant that his radar would be seen by big ships. Some how safety information manages to get garbled even among those with enough earning power to buy a boat. Sandy Daugherty Retired NTSB Accident Investigator Hi Dan, Yes we do have a fair bit of experience with radar but are by no means experts. And we do actually have an 18″ Raymarine HD Digital radar so perhaps it is that much more more effective than regular radars. But I still recommend a See-Me or equivalent RTE if you really want to be seen on other people’s radar. Almost no power to run and not that much money. More and more people are getting an AIS receiver so why wouldn’t you add a Class B transponder. Then they will see you. As Sandy Daugherty says, if you hoist an inflatable radar reflector you are still hoping someone has a radar and is actually looking at it. Get an AIS transponder and you know all ships will see you – plus an increasing number of yachts as well. Paul, a Raymarine HD Digital Radar! That is much better than a regular radar, and explains your experience to “usually see sailboats within 3 miles”. In your eyes there may not seem to be a benefit to a passive reflector. Regular radars are not that good. I also have the HD digital also, and for collision avoidance, I rank this or any other radar as my number one tool, mostly because my greater fear is to be hit by a yacht (rather than a ship) without radar or an attentive helmsman. I do already use an AIS transceiver as well, yet you will find this reflector up in my rigging whenever visibility is reduced and even on most clear day’s because it is no hassle at all to use, and even with great radar, I can’t just run away from every approaching yacht to avoid collisions. We all have responsibilities to hold our course in many passing situations, and need yachts with regular radar to see us also. I also have to admit (to Sandy), I do get a cheap thrill when other ships avoid me and I can instead hold my course and get where I am going in a straight line. Sandy, you wrote that a passive reflector “does more harm than good” as it “provides a false sense of security” I guess you can go there, but can’t that same line of reasoning, a false sense of security, be carried over to an RTE or any safety gear as well? Is that a reason not to purchase one? Or, is your comment really based on a disbelief in my review? If Ben can pass you my cell phone number, give me a call as I would really like to give your point of view a fair listen, as I have John Simpson’s. Speaking about John, he has urged me to write that his RTE product is the only RTE approved by the FCC in the USA. I had purchased (and later returned) his competitor’s product not realizing it wasn’t legal, I guess that could happen to anyone, but relax John, that is probably very rare. Back to the passive product I use above, there is an element of cost in all this. While not an inexpensive cheap thrill as my last safety recommendation, at $180 what’s not to like about this passive radar reflector that you will actually use (rather than leaving in a storage locker), and will do better than double radar visibility of a 40 foot cruising sailboat in clear weather, and in seas taller than your boats deck, make the difference between being seen or not being seen at all? I use both an echo-master on the halyard, and a tri-radial on the mast. What is the consensus for using two radar reflectors? I have heard some comment that there could be destructive interference, but I do not believe this to be the case if they ar separated by more than several feet. Regard, Bob There could be interference, both destructive and constructive, even if they are well separated. But does it matter? There is no simple answer to this. Even the direct return from a radar reflector and the return which bounces off the water surface can interfere. Here are some links for you: http://www.theradarreflectorsite.org/WebManuscript/PREFACE.pdf http://www.theradarreflectorsite.org/WebManuscript/CHAPTER%202.pdf Radar is only as good as the product of the power of emitted signal, RCS, sensitivity of receiver, noise filtering and algorithm/operator to determine a contact from blips. Any of those being low, the ability to detect a vessel/ATON is reduced. Commercial vessels are required to have trained watch standers and will have sufficient power and likely good sensitivity, so all that is variable is the RCS. Their antenna will be quite high up, mounted above highest superstructure to give 360 sweep. You may be indistinguishable from sea clutter in a typical recreational vessel Getting your reflector high up above waves is a good first start. The tests on various shapes and styles are somewhat colored by static positioning. The case of a flat sea is somewhat rare, though we did traverse Fundy in “forestay fog” with a commercial vessel on right angle heading back in 2004. With an old Davis pie plate he was seeing us at 5 miles when we hailed based on MARPA to confirm his holding course. The Maine and Nova Scotia lobstermen tend to have fixed reflectors on poles, but will rarely have a watch if they are working. How many recreational vessels do you expect both mount radar and have trained operators watching screen? AIS is probably your best bet to provide a warning to/from commercial traffic, and a frequent & loud horn for recreational. Crossing Long Island Sound in the fog and rain Memorial Day morning, was another opportunity to use this reflector. It takes about 2 minutes to rig it, even though I had not done so yet this season. Even thought the water was flat, several of the boats I was crossing with in the club were nearly invisible in auto gain on my Raymarine radar until the fog lifted. The boat with the standard davis reflectors were clear, and it was hit and miss with the boats that did not have reflectors, sizing having nothing to do with it. Interestingly the largest boat was hard to find even with the gain turned up to near 100%. AIS is still rare here. You cannot count on it being useful to advertise your position to other recreational boats. In a club of almost 100 sailboats, we have two boats equipped. Granted most people did not want to be out yesterday, only 2 moving boats were broadcasting AIS other than the ferries and I. I think I agree with the last comment about the value of passive radar reflector, first because they enhance the signal and second, more important, because they do it even if you’ve lost all your electronics and there is no electricity left. In France there are also useful to identify UK boats as they are the only ones to carry one high on the mast. May be they are more use to fog than we are … or more cautious. Dan, I am in agreement that a good reflector up high makes a recreational vessel a bigger “target” for the larger vessels, it’s a very appropriate strategy, and yet while necessary is insufficient. A Class B transponder gives them not only a target, it provides a DSC direct call capability to hail with my vessel name, knowing my SOG&COG; a bit more compelling than hearing ” vessel at Lat/Lon heading 275 at 5 kts” that they would get from (M)ARPA. My point is that in my experience, few recreational/small commercial boaters have or likely use radar competently. In the Alameda Estuary their are few vessels with class B transponders that show as on when moored, not sure how many are to be found while moving, or if the same blithe spirits who don’t use radar have the AIS alarms silenced on their VHF/chartplotter. We are in a very active commercial port, where VTS is handling container ships, bulk haulers and tankers. My choice is to give the best chance of being “seen” to all who pay attention, with the best chance to hear them if they need to call. Hopefully, by being on their radar, tagged I become of less concern. My monitoring of the radar/AIS overlay is my defense against those who don’t have AIS transponders, to sort out the moving returns and categorize as of concern or not to me. The idiots will be with us, I just hope to keep from meeting them in the fog. You have a very good point that few recreational craft have or use radar, and larger boats are equipped with AIS receivers. Having my own radar is far more valuable than the reflector when around other smaller craft, and AIS had advantages when around larger craft. As I dwell on what your wrote, the radar reflector hardly seems to add any more protection in those instances. Who knows, maybe I should get off my soap box about the reflector being valuable. But, radar isn’t entirely the answer either. I am embarrassed to share that I was caught unaware yesterday as two power boats came head-on through the middle of our closely spaced flotilla seen here in the fog. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156989752550608&set=gm.876988162445151&type=3 Was I inattentive? Was there something about the heavy mist interfered with my seeing the powerboats, just like I could not see 3 of the 8 sailboats in the flotilla around me, despite flat water, calm air, and less than 1/16 mile of distance? Just like AIS is more effective when we all have it, radar is more effective when we all have radar reflectors. Hmm, since that isn’t happening, forget the radar reflector, hey everyone, get radar and AIS!!! Once the fog partially lifted, the other 3 sailboats showed up clear on radar. Wonder what that was all about! I thought it took heavy rain and/or waves to diminish radar that much. In that club with 100 sailboats of which two have AIS transponders, how many more have AIS receivers? The Echomax website now has three sizes: the EM230i, the EM230i Midi (same diameter, somewhat shorter), and EMAO3i (spherical, larger diameter) I know the commercial guys are required to have both. Recreational neither, but just looking at boats in our YC, it seems that above 30 ft power & 35 ft for sailboats seems to be when you see radars and at 40 ft they are pretty close to a given. With modern VHF DSC/AIS integration coming below $500 and a Radar still well north of $1000 I would expect AIS first on the smaller boats. You can get a receiver for http://www.westmarine.com/buy/em-trak-marine-electronics–ais-r100-receiver–12333969 None have AIS receivers. On the bright side, several now have their VHF radio configured with registered MMSI numbers and NMEA0183 integration with their GPS. Join the conversation Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked * Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 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Optimal radar ranging pulse to resolve two reflectorsAndrew n. jordan, john c. howell, achim kempf, shunxing zhang, and derek white, phys. rev. research 6 , 033341 – published 27 september 2024. - No Citing Articles
- INTRODUCTION
- RANGE RESOLUTION IN REMOTE SENSING
- FISHER INFORMATION FOR FIELD DETECTION
- SHIFTED BANDWIDTH
- UNNORMALIZED WAVEFORMS
- EXPERIMENTAL IMPLEMENTATION
- CONCLUSIONS
- ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
Previous work established fundamental bounds on subwavelength resolution for the radar range resolution problem, called superradar [ Phys. Rev. Appl. 20 , 064046 (2023) ]. In this work, we identify the optimal waveforms for distinguishing the range resolution between two reflectors of identical strength, leveraging results in quantum metrology. We discuss both the unnormalized optimal waveform as well as the best square-integrable pulse and their variants. Using orthogonal function theory, we give an explicit algorithm to optimize the wave pulse in finite time to have the best performance. We also explore range resolution estimation with unnormalized waveforms with multiparameter methods to also independently estimate loss and time of arrival. These results are consistent with the earlier single parameter approach of range resolution only and give deeper insight into the ranging estimation problem. Experimental results are presented using radio pulse reflections inside coaxial cables, showing robust range resolution smaller than a tenth of the inverse bandlimit, with uncertainties close to the derived Cramér-Rao bound. - Received 21 May 2024
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- 3 Institute for Quantum Studies, Chapman University , Orange, California 92866, USA
- 4 Racah Institute of Physics, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem , Jerusalem 91904, Israel
- 5 Department of Applied Mathematics and Department of Physics, University of Waterloo , N2L 3G1 and Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics, Waterloo, Ontario ON N2L 2Y5, Canada
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Download & SharePlot of S ( t ) versus t (in units of 1 / k 0 ) for the value d = 50 , corresponding to R ≈ 0.92 . Panel (a) shows the duration ( − 2000 , 2000 ), while panel (b) shows the duration ( − 200 , 200 ). Panel (c) shows the finite time Fourier transform to clearly indicate the three finite support rectangles. Plot of R versus d . Square different of maximum and minimum eigenvalues of matrix u 2 is plotted versus matrix dimension N . It rapidly approaches its upper bound of 1. Optimal pulse f ( t ) for the dimension N = 12 is plotted versus time t (or position), in units of the inverse bandlimit, for (a) duration ( − 1000 , 1000 ) and (b) ( − 100 , 100 ). Panel (c) shows the Fourier transform, indicating it is indeed a bandlimited function. This function corresponds to R ≈ 0.92 . Example of an optimal pulse plotted in time (in µ s ) for dimension N = 12 and a shifted bandlimit of k 1 = ( 10 / 2 π ) MHz and k 2 = ( 50 / 2 π ) MHz. Proof-of-concept experimental setup of the optimal pulse for two scatterers. A waveform generator sends a constructed pulse into a double cable setup with the length of cable A being l / 2 . Scattering distributions in the BNC cable setup, measured with an oscilloscope when sending a single narrow pulse wave. The two tallest red dots indicate the locations and amplitudes of the primary scatterers. The other dots represent reflections caused by the T junction, with a reflection coefficient of − 0.37 . Plots of the mean (a), (b) and variance (c), (d) of the range resolution estimator for two pulse types versus scatterer separation times the inverse bandlimit. For both pulses S ( t ) (left column) and f ( t ) (right column), the true separation distance l is kept constant at 0.61 m, while the bandlimit k 0 is varied. Panels (a) and (c) correspond to the S ( t ) pulse with d = 50 . Panels (b) and (d) correspond to the f ( t ) pulse with mode dimension N = 12 . The top plots (a) and (b) display the mean of l ̂ scaled by k 0 against the normalized true separation l * k 0 . The error bars for the two and four scatterer models are indicated by their respective shaded regions in red and green. The y = x gray line is included for reference to see any bias in the estimator. The bottom plots (c) and (d) show the variance of l ̂ scaled by k 0 as a function of the normalized true separation l * k 0 . The blue lines represent the theoretical bounds derived from the Cramér-Rao lower bound. Sign up to receive regular email alerts from Physical Review Research Reuse & PermissionsIt is not necessary to obtain permission to reuse this article or its components as it is available under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license. This license permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided attribution to the author(s) and the published article's title, journal citation, and DOI are maintained. Please note that some figures may have been included with permission from other third parties. It is your responsibility to obtain the proper permission from the rights holder directly for these figures. - Forgot your username/password?
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This is how we tested. The echo of each reflector was measured a total of eight times - from a distance of 0.5 and 1.5 nautical miles, vertically and at an angle of 30 degrees, using a modern broadband radar and a conventional magnetron radar. The displays of the broadband radars are shown in the individual test images.
Dennis O'Neill. August 23, 2012. 0 shares. Yachting Monthly finds out. We looked at 10 radar reflectors - from £15 and £499 - testing them in a lab and at sea. The results, as Toby Hodges discovered, were startling. Click here to download the article.
By The Rigging Company July 7, 2015. A radar reflector is used to help make your vessel more identifiable by other boats and ships that use radar to scan for vessels as well as other obstructions. In the world of radar reflectors there are many, many options. For sailboats the options are narrowed down a bit, but there is still much controversy ...
1995 Tests. West Marine tested radar reflectors in 1995, lead by Chuck Hawley along with experts Stan Honey, Dick Honey and Jim Corenman. Although 1995 was a long time ago, the tests are still relevant and interesting, because just about all of the products and technology are unchanged. Download the 1995 Radar Reflectors Test.
We tried it out as a comparison with a traditional reflector using a boat with radar on board and found that the flag was just as good (and doubles as a flag too!). We first tried it on a pole off the stern and it "painted" well. ... I have also seen numerous reviews which consistently placed the Davis among the best of the reflectors. Carl and ...
Whereas he had not been visible on my radar up to that point, as soon as the reflector was on deck his boat showed a strong return blip. This was on a 33 foot sloop. This was on a 33 foot sloop. I do believe the testing that shows that a typical sail boat has a very unreliable return.
IStream. 545 posts · Joined 2013. #2 · Apr 7, 2014. The effective range of your reflector to another radar is the analogous to the range you'd get from your own radar antenna looking for returns from a target: range (nautical miles) = 1.25 * sqrt (height in feet) Not to be glib, but the higher the better.
For a radar dead abeam, the elevation angle is your vessel's angle of heel; for a radar dead ahead or astern, the elevation angle is your vessel's pitch angle. A complete characterization of a radar reflector includes the RCS at all bearing angles, or azimuths from 0° to 360° and all elevations angles from -90° to +90° - although a ...
Tri-Lens Radar Reflector In our 1995 test, a recommended minimum average RCS of 2.5 m2 was adopted at the suggestion of GEC Marconi, maker of the Firdell Blipper reflector. ... Latest Sailboat Review. Sailboat Reviews. The PDQ 32 Cruising Cat Used Boat Review. September 25, 2024.
Radar reflectors can be mounted to the masts of boat cabins as well. To start to make sense of this, we need to delve into a bit of radar history, and have a rudimentary understanding of how it works. In 1904 a patent for "an obstacle detector and ship navigation device," was issued - this device used radio echoes to determine the approximate bearing of objects
3971 posts · Joined 2000. #9 · Apr 26, 2012. I use radar quite often here in the PNW and sailboats without reflectors invariably are weak targets. It's counter intuitive that with a big tall aluminum mast and all the SS rigging that it wouldn't make for a good reflector but the fact is that they don't show up very well.
41,951. Visit site. Bear in mind that many buoys have radar reflectors on them. A sailing yacht with a decent sized mast on it is a pretty good target when the mast is upright. But in a poor seastate, a reflector is generally better. A lot of variables, including the human in front of the radar screen. 18 Dec 2019.
Installing a radar reflector on your boat is an essential safety measure that can significantly reduce the risk of collisions with other vessels. By understanding the different types of reflectors available, choosing the right one for your boat, and properly installing and maintaining it, you can ensure the safety of your family and your vessel ...
I'll jump in. A radar reflector is a dirt-cheap way to increase your chances of being seen. I have a Davis one fixed at the masthead where it can't be shielded by sails, and whenever I radio a ship to ensure we're not going to exchange hull paints, they've already seen me. It is not a substitute for careful and constant vigilance, but it is a big help and enormous peace of mind.
As far as I know, all the radar reflectors you can buy for a yacht are somewhere between poor and better than nothing. But it's only as far as I know. The last major test I can think of was done ...
Radar is more expensive than AIS, but you may wish you'd taken the plunge when the visibility closes in amid busy waters. TAGS: electronics gear Instruments knowledge radar. All of us are keen to avoid collisions and to be aware of what other vessels might be in the vicinity. We all try to maintain a good watch, but looking out on a drizzly ...
paulk. 5664 posts · Joined 2000. #4 · Jul 28, 2008. US Sailing and the RORC have both performed tests on radar reflectors. Both sets of tests seem to indicate that the Davis type, (round interlocking panels that create "pockets") mounted in a "catch rain" position is among the most effective passive reflectors available.
Two weeks ago, in broad daylight, I had a Catalina 38 motor past me with its Davis radar reflector up above its spreaders, in plain unobstructed view of my radar. You can see the boat, less than 1/4 mile away, on my port bow as the yellow blob. By contrast, you can see a buoy with its own reflectors (admittedly more than the Davis) in the upper ...
For radar reflectors with an RCS of 2m2 and above the probability of being tracked inside 2nm increases significantly. With a radar reflector of RCS of at least 4m2 50% probability of detection is achieved beyond 10nm from 4.5nm. Probabilty of detection by a X-Band 25kW radar of various RCS target sizes. 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% ...
The Maritime and Coastguard Agency has updated its guidance and is urging all owners of boats under 15m/49.2ft to fit a radar reflector. All boats less than 15m/49.2ft and under 150 gross tonnage should permanently carry a radar reflector. according to the Maritime and Coastguard Agency. Credit: Graham Snook/Yachting Monthly. The Maritime and ...
July 2006, Block Island Sound is enveloped in patchy fog, two radar-equipped sailboats pass within 20 feet after failing to detect each other despite calm waters. Neither vessel had a radar reflector hoisted. July 2009, chaos on Block Island Sound as fog descends on hundreds of recreational boaters, skippers constantly calling out on VHF 9 & 16 in attempts to avoid collision. A ferry and a ...
Previous work established fundamental bounds on subwavelength resolution for the radar range resolution problem, called superradar [Phys. Rev. Appl. 20, 064046 (2023)]. In this work, we identify the optimal waveforms for distinguishing the range resolution between two reflectors of identical strength, leveraging results in quantum metrology. We discuss both the unnormalized optimal waveform as ...