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Expert opinion on a 1968 Cal 36 please

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Good day sailors, If I may be so bold as to ask your opinion on this boat? I have bought her and she is on the hard getting a new engine and a few other small things done to her while I am overseas. My plan is to take her down to the Caribbean and then ??? The survey came back as an excellent, just below outstanding and I am only the 4th owner of the boat. She sails very solid and has no blisters when hauled. What should I lookout for when I get some serious sailing out of her? Thanks again  

Welcome Clarity, Try these two links as a place to start: http://www.geocities.com/calwebmaster/CalModelDirectories/CalModel36Dir.html http://groups.msn.com/CalSailboatOw...snw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=773 Congrats on your new (to you) boat... Fred  

she is on the hard getting a new engine and a few other small things done to her while I am overseas Click to expand...

With a new engine and a solid hull (assuming survey was done well), I would next consider replacing the standing rigging and carefully going over the rudder and steering system. Losing the mast or steering in the middle of ocean can make for a bad day!  

I may be way off base. I have no idea what the boat cost to buy, but with a new engine, new rigging, some updated systems could you not have just bought a different or better boat. We're talking about $20,000 plus on the lite side.  

The engine was fine, but old and I want an engine that is not only new, but can be serviced around the world. It was a Pathfinder (VW) and not many mechanics would work on it. The rigging was inspected by an expert in the field and he told me it was in excellent condition and not to worry. Thanks for the input on the rudder, I will have the yard take a look at it. The reason the vessel is on the hard is due to the fact that I am in Iraq and the boat is near Annapolis. I feel better having her on the hard, than on the hook while I am accross the globe for a year. Clarity is a well cared for boat and she has been well maintained for close to 40 years. In this regard, I want to have her maintained with as much care as I can. I have been on older boats that people have done some crazy and ugly things to their boats, because they didn't want to spend the money on it. This boat is being cared for by me and when she is sold in a few years, she will go to someone who will take care of her. It's called respect. I want to that you all for your input, it is appreciated. Hopefully some Cal owners will see this and talk about their boats. Fair winds to you all.  

Cruising Cal 36 I have a cruising version of this boat, single spreader with stouter mast sections, otherwise rigged the same with a 50hp Perkins. Also had a good hull survey except for leaking diesel tanks which I had to replace (originals were 75 gallons, I had to remanufacture down to 60) - this was work. Did have to re-rig and replace sails as well as rebuild electrical (given its age, these were not sophisticated). Engine only has 980 hrs on it, and this appears real. Boat sails well - good in light air, stout in heavy. Unlike the 39, the hull shape is close to the 40 and performs well. Many people in So. Cal. put very serious money into restoring and upgrading these 36's and the 40's. "She's a keeper".  

ReganJames, When its all said and done, I will have more money into it than what I paid for it, but it is worth it. She sails like a dream and I really like how solid she is in heavy seas. With a new engine, new water maker, refrigerator, and a paint job, I will be sailing south and then west.  

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Cal 36 is a 35 ′ 5 ″ / 10.8 m monohull sailboat designed by C. William Lapworth and built by Bangor Punta Corp. and Jensen Marine/Cal Boats starting in 1966.

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thinking about a Cal 36

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Hello, I am thinking about looking at a 1969 Cal 36. She looks to be in good shape, and is set up very simply, not lots of updates, but well maintained. I like a simple set up, and plan on living aboard. It has pressure water, but only cold, not a big deal as I know I can add a hot water heater, big issue is I can't find much out about these boats. One thing I am looking at the line drawings and can't tell if there is any kind of shower pan or can one be added? The one I want to look at looks to have only cold pressure water going to the head sink, so if I ad a Hot Water heater, how much work would it be to add a shower? I am still trying to decide if I want to make the trip to look at the boat. It is a couple of hours away. I know the layout will not be an ideal live aboard, but I want a good sailing boat as much as a place to live. For the time being I will be on the Hudson river north of the City.  

The Cal 36 should be a great sailing boat. Bill Lapworth really knew his stuff! One potential structural issue I'd be concerned to investigate is the condition of the mild steel beam that takes the compression of the mast. This is not easy to inspect, unfortunately. If it is significantly rusted, which is certainly a concern for a boat this age, you are looking at a major repair. Find a good surveyor who can give you a definitive answer on this for the particular boat you are looking at. The following link just turned up in a very quick Google search. There may be others for the Cal 36, and there certainly are for other Cal models of this vintage, since this method of supporting the mast compression was used in several different boats in the Cal line (e.g., Cal 40, Cal 29, Cal 34, etc.). http://www.sailnet.com/forums/cal/67193-cal-36-compression-beam-pictures.html  

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Nice boats. If you add a water heater, most boats with them have slide out shower heads as part of the faucets in the heads. You’ll also need to add a separate shower sump, since draining into the bilge creates bad odors. You’ll need to change the faucet in the galley, too, and run separate hot water hoses. I replaced my heater in August, found a great price on a Seaward 6 gallon for $236 (saw other prices online as high as $386!!!). It seems to be a very useful addition. Good luck.  

We lived aboard our 1966 Cal 36 for 7+ years and sailed her up and down the East coast several times. Great sailing boat!! Fairly basic as a liveaboard, though. There may not be enough room under the cabin sole in the head for a shower pan and sump pump. The main issue we had was with engine alignment. The V drive is a bear and alignment issues can lead to through-hull problems at the shaft log which could sink the boat.....if the boat is in reasonable shape, what you give up in liveability will be made up in sailing superlatives.  

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The Cal 36 is a 35.5ft masthead sloop designed by C. William Lapworth and built in fiberglass by Jensen Marine/Cal Boats since 1966.

The Cal 36 is a moderate weight sailboat which is a good performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a good righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a coastal cruiser. The fuel capacity is originally small. There is a short water supply range.

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> > Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. 23-09-2018, 10:06   Boat: Retired from CF , perhaps negative value Please ignore tone of the / consignment seller's hyper-florid sales , the guy may be annoying, but is the content generally accurate about this model, say if a better maintained example? Or does he oversell to the point it's best to just ignore his auctions? 23-09-2018, 10:49   Boat: JBW club 420, MFG Bandit, Snark . I think I have black in my respiratory system from just viewing that ad. I think he wasted space with all those words. I'm watching it now, to see what it actually sells for when he relists it at a lower starting bid. I think that does have a LOT of miles left in it, after a proper and . But, I'm one of these sailors that rarely blame the boat if something goes wrong. I think the vast majority of can take more abuse than the people in control of them, with proper , seamanship and knowledge of when to sail and when to stay in port have much more to do with any boat's successes and failures. There's not a boat out there that can take all mother nature and the oceans have to dish out. In the proper hands that boat is absolutely capable of great things, but it will cost a lot to get it ready just because of the neglect. 23-09-2018, 11:22   Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2 fabrication for the step. That is prone to and expensive to replace if it's rusted out. Just something to be aware of. Other than the too large , these early Cals have a reputation for being built hell for stout and capable of 'blue water' sailing. Not a boat I'd want to take to high latitudes but then I wouldn't want to go to high latitudes no matter what the boat. The 36 wasn't as successful as the 40 in but the design and construction are very similar. The 40 has probably seen more ocean miles than any other design by a factor of 10. Racing is not the ultimate test but racers tend to push the boat till it breaks and these have held up. Not knowing the boat can't comment on what it will take to get it back in shape. From experience, triple your pre-purchase estimate of what it will cost and have double that as a back up for unforseen stuff. The ad's wording is about as florid as I've heard. The guy should be on TV hawking supplements. He'd have every disease in the world cured by a little pill in no time. 23-09-2018, 11:43   Boat: Retired from CF after paying in full. But if the seller cares about their rating (if it's a regular they better), they'll refund everything if you decide to back out, even with non-PayPal transactions. Usually. 23-09-2018, 12:54   Boat: Cal 20 when I talked to him about his boat. Cal40s tended to need buckheads retabbed when raced hard and regularly. Don’t get me wrong the Cal36 is my dream boat. A house is but a boat so poorly built and so firmly run aground no one would think to try and refloat it. 24-09-2018, 10:54   40 and then restored it. Remember, a Cal 40 is remembered by a great many people as a near perfect sailboat from any era. It had no bad habits IMO. I lived on one for a year. 24-09-2018, 11:25   Boat: Custom 41' Steel Pilothouse Cutter 24-09-2018, 12:33   ?” That question is independent of the question of whether it is wise to buy on e-bay. My opinion of the latter is somewhat jaundiced, but of the former, I think this. : First rate. Knew what he was about. Her basic numbers are good, so you can expect a well-sailing and generally tractable boat. In the hands of a competent , that boat will go anywhere. integrity: Can't know it without getting upclose'n'personal. IF you could inspect before plunking down the cash, you would know. I think you do know how to do a . But you can't inspect, and that's the stubling block: IF the hull should prove beyond , YOU would be stuck with the disposal cost. Or with the insalubrious task of finding a poor benighted who'd take 'er off your hands. Is that the task on which the present seller is engaged? I'm such a damn cynic :-)! : Luvverly sailplan that will handle anything, if you have the full suit. Looking at the exterior pic given, it looks as if she's unsullied by such things as . Depending on what you want to do with her, and where you are gonna do it, that may very well be a blessing in your day-to-day life. Remember Occam's Razor :-)! : Ho-hum. Long in the tooth and I'd not take the seller's word for its condition. But with an entrance fee of only $4K you can aford to spend US$22K for a 50HP Beta (Kubota) if you are gonna go worldwide. If you can do the swap yourself, $17K should do it and you'll be set up for life. I think the A4 was 30HP, but the cost differential twixt 30 and 50 ain't much. Electrics: Probably primitive, and in this particular boat at the end of their life. But don't let me teach my mother to suck eggs ;-0)! Accommodations: Love 'em. TrentePieds is laid out in just the same way, and the “pilot house”, which ain't a pilot house for want of an inside position, is a delight to BE in because of the big windows. There is not the usual sense of being in a cave. A lovely “snug” once you are on the hook. The Cal is six fee longer OA than TP but only 2 feet longer on the WL. Thus the Cal will sail better than TP. The downside of the windows is that I wouln't go where the scattered waters rave without blanking them with S/S plates. You already know how that's done. Outfit: You get to keep what's useful to YOU, and buy new stuff to replace what isn't. At 4K you needn't cringe every time you scupper some old junk that “came with the boat” :-) So – IMO a great candidate for a man who knows his way about, the only problem being that of dealing on e-bay! Cheers TP 24-09-2018, 16:35   Boat: Retired from CF this boat. My main query was on this **model** boat in general, and more so this seller, as he does come across some great instances once in a while, but in this case I suspected his hyperbole was just complete and total bulldust. Which seems not to be the case after all. And I have pretty deep eBay experience, so believe I can navigate its pitfalls, at least enough to bend the odds in my favor when gambling there. Getting the seller to accept PayPal is an important point. I let them know they can retain possession for as long as it takes the cash to clear, and in fact that delay lets me get a more thorough done, if not an actual survey. 24-09-2018, 22:38   Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2 25-09-2018, 08:01   Boat: Nonsuch 30 in modern terms. Might make for an interesting boat but a labour of love for sure since it would make no financial sense to . 25-09-2018, 08:53   Boat: Retired from CF 25-09-2018, 09:37   project is no more difficult or expensive than fitting out a brand new one, so in a 36-footer the savings on this hull over a factory-new equivalent is something like 80 grand. But because with this "new to you" job you can go sailing NOW, not years from now. So you have to live with a little mould - so what? Vinegar and bleach go a long way! The dome light outside the heads doesn't come on - so what? If you can't find your way to the heads in the dark in a 36-footer, you prolly shouldn't even THINK about going to sea :-)! You see rust bleeds where the chain plates are bolted to the bulkhead - so what? Just don't push too hard, and if Rude Boreas gets on his high horse, shorten sail and find shelter! There is no chart plotter - so what? You don't need a chart plotter to go coast-wise. Just the relevant paper , a coupla triangles and a pair of dividers. Also a pencil, of course. Hand bearing ? You don't need it. Swing the boat's to your mark and read the . You are not going anywhere in a hurry anyway. The is an antique - so what? A brand new (which is what you really need) is a-hunnert'n'an'arf at any chandler's. This particular boat is advertised as having moorage available at 150/mnth. Can't beat that with a stick if the location is near where you live. In West , if you can find any, it would cost you five hunnert. A fundamental truth (in most of life's affairs) that "yotties" seem particularly apt to forget, is that for 20% of the expenditure in effort and money required to reach "perfection", you get 80% thereof. In regard to sailboats, diminishing returns set in the moment you spend your first dollar, and the expenditure curve goes asymptotic at that time too. I know I don't need to tell you, but there might be sense in making such matters abundantly clear to novices and to those who are still only dreaming. I look at the glossy sailing mags now and then when I feel the urge to get disgusted. The advertising in reprehensible. It gives the naïve the notion that they need to spend money. It ain't necessarily so! Cheers! TrentePieds 25-09-2018, 09:47   Boat: Retired from CF trajectory. I am pretty sure finding the odds of finding "the perfect turnkey" at $20,000 are pretty slim anyway, would likely still need serious additional money to get ready for making anyway. 25-09-2018, 12:10   Boat: 1962 Columbia 29 MK 1 #37 ? Well if the 28 and 40 have shown they can rack up plenty of miles i’d bet the 36 is right there with them. I’d give it a bath make sure and are ok and sail, BUT the big question for this one is, how’s the engine? Figure it’s dead so there’s $10k or so if you do it yourself if you want a new one. I knew a guy who had a Cal 40 with no engine. It was nimble enough to sail wherever he wanted to go. , , Thread Tools Rate This Thread : Posting Rules post new threads post replies post attachments edit your posts is are code is are are are Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post For Sale: sailr69 Classifieds Archive 9 15-01-2013 08:24 For Sale: sailr69 Classifieds Archive 1 14-01-2013 16:47 For Sale: Blaster120763 Classifieds Archive 1 17-06-2012 12:20 For Sale: FilipPeters Classifieds Archive 1 17-05-2012 15:26 Catamount Forum Tech Support & Site Help 3 15-01-2011 10:05 - - - - - - - Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. Review of Cal 36 Basic specs.. The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. The boat is equipped with 300.0 liter fresh water capacity. The Cal 36 is equipped with a masthead rig. The advantage of a masthead rig is its simplicity and the fact that a given sail area - compared with a fractional rig - can be carried lower and thus with less heeling moment. The Cal 36 is equipped with a fin keel. The fin keel is the most common keel and provides splendid manoeuvrability. The downside is that it has less directional stability than a long keel. The keel is made of lead. Compared with iron, lead has the advantage of being 44% heavier, which allows a smaller keel and hence less water resistance and higher speed. The boat can enter most marinas as the draft is just about 1.74 - 1.84 meter (5.71 - 6.01 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below. Cal 36 may be equipped with an inboard Universal Atomic 4 gasoline engine at 30 hp (22 kW). Calculated max speed is about 6.3 knots The fuel tank has a capacity of 114.0 liters (30 US gallons, 25 imperial gallons). Sailing characteristics This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats. What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)? The capsize screening value for Cal 36 is 1.85, indicating that this boat could - if evaluated by this formula alone - be accepted to participate in ocean races. What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed? The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 7.0 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed. The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Cal 36 is about 173 kg/cm, alternatively 972 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 173 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 972 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch. Sailing statistics This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points. What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)? What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)? What is a Ballast Ratio? What is Displacement Length Ratio? What is SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio)? Maintenance When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 30m 2 (322 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need. Are your sails worn out? You might find your next sail here: Sails for Sale If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful. Usage Length Diameter Mainsail halyard 29.0 m (95.0 feet) 12 mm (1/2 inch) Jib/genoa halyard 29.0 m (95.0 feet) 12 mm (1/2 inch) Spinnaker halyard 29.0 m (95.0 feet) 12 mm (1/2 inch) Jib sheet 10.8 m (35.5 feet) 14 mm (0.55 inch) Genoa sheet 10.8 m (35.5 feet) 14 mm (0.55 inch) Mainsheet 27.1 m (88.7 feet) 14 mm (0.55 inch) Spinnaker sheet 23.8 m (78.1 feet) 14 mm (0.55 inch) Cunningham 5.0 m (16.3 feet) 12 mm (1/2 inch) Kickingstrap 9.9 m (32.6 feet) 12 mm (1/2 inch) Clew-outhaul 9.9 m (32.6 feet) 12 mm (1/2 inch) This section is reserved boat owner's modifications, improvements, etc. Here you might find (or contribute with) inspiration for your boat. Do you have changes/improvements you would like to share? Upload a photo and describe what you have done. We are always looking for new photos. If you can contribute with photos for Cal 36 it would be a great help. If you have any comments to the review, improvement suggestions, or the like, feel free to contact us . Criticism helps us to improve. 188 IMAGES Cal 36 Cal 36 Cal 36 Cal 36 1970 Jensen Marine Cal 36 Sailboat Review & Specs- Photo Cal 36 VIDEO Build Your Own Sailboat (Sport Fishing Boat Plans) Origami Boat Hull Model A New Life for This Old CAL Sailboat Sailing Catalina 36 on Santa Monica Bay Having fun sailing my Cal 20 Taking my new 1963 Cal 20 sailboat to Napa Boat for DIY work COMMENTS Expert opinion on a 1968 Cal 36 please - SailNet Community Boat sails well - good in light air, stout in heavy. Unlike the 39, the hull shape is close to the 40 and performs well. Many people in So. Cal. put very serious money into restoring and upgrading these 36's and the 40's. CAL 36 - sailboatdata Designed to determine if a boat has blue water capability. The CSF compares beam with displacement since excess beam contributes to capsize and heavy displacement reduces capsize vulnerability. The boat is better suited for ocean passages (vs coastal cruising) if the result of the calculation is 2.0 or less. The lower the better. 1968 Cal 36 Pitfalls? - Cruisers & Sailing Forums The 36 was designed as a little brother to the CAL 40. Not nearly as successful racer as the 40 but still a responsive boat. Heavy doesn't necessarily make a boat slow but usually makes them way more comfortable. Cal Cruising 36 - Sailboat Guide Cal Cruising 36 is a 35 ′ 5 ″ / 10.8 m monohull sailboat designed by C. William Lapworth and built by Jensen Marine/Cal Boats between 1968 and 1970. Cal 36 - Sailboat Guide Cal 36 is a 35′ 5″ / 10.8 m monohull sailboat designed by C. William Lapworth and built by Bangor Punta Corp. and Jensen Marine/Cal Boats starting in 1966. thinking about a Cal 36 | Sailboat Owners Forums I am thinking about looking at a 1969 Cal 36. She looks to be in good shape, and is set up very simply, not lots of updates, but well maintained. I like a simple set up, and plan on living aboard. The CS 36 - Close Reach The CS 36 is a good-looking design with reverse-angle transom. It is a sloop with a double-spreader rig and all stainless-steel hard-ware on deck. No teak is evident on deck. In today’s market the design is slightly dated, but as the sea has not changed, good design always remains in style. The proportions of the boat put it in the middle of the Cal 36 - sailboat data sheet The Cal 36 is a 35.5ft masthead sloop designed by C. William Lapworth and built in fiberglass by Jensen Marine/Cal Boats since 1966. The Cal 36 is a moderate weight sailboat which is a good performer. Cal 36 pilothouse, bluewater really? - Cruisers & Sailing Forums">Cal 36 pilothouse, bluewater really? - Cruisers & Sailing Forums The 36 wasn't as successful as the 40 in racing but the design and construction are very similar. The Cal 40 has probably seen more ocean racing miles than any other single design by a factor of 10. Racing is not the ultimate test but racers tend to push the boat till it breaks and these boats have held up. Review of Cal 36 - www.yachtdatabase.com">Review of Cal 36 - www.yachtdatabase.com The Cal 36 is a sailboat designed by the maritime architect C. William Lapworth in the mid sixties. The Cal 36 is built by the American yard Jensen Marine. catamaran gulet motorboat powerboat riverboat sailboat trimaran yacht