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Baba 35 vs Tayana 37 vs Hans Christian 38- Add to quote
- Baba 35 - asking $90,000
- Tayana 37 - asking $120,000
- Hans Christian 38 - asking $110,000
- Value for money given the asking price
- Resale value.
- Popularity (also for resale)
- Which would be fastest ( i know they are all slow)
- Maintenance upkeep. (I know they all have lots of teak)
- Sailing performance, comfort at sea, motion etc
- overall design, ease of use
- And last but not least and probably the most contentious....which has the most beauty
Those prices seem aggressive to me. Stateside they seem cheaper. I like that class of boat . I Own a Union Polaris 36 and still like it, now 20 years on. I'd like to have looked at the Hans Christian details, but there is no way I will log on to a foreign website just to see it. I would avoid a ship with a pilot house like that though. I would be wary of it tolerating a big wave impact. They are not slow ships if the wind is blowing. In light airs they are not fast, but if the wind is right there is nothing slow about them. Be wary of teak decks though. They leak. I have been living with deck leaks for 20 years. Also check the tanks too. Tiawanese ships had a dreadful reputation for poor tankage and i speak from bitter personal experience. What about welding stainless steel tanks with steel welding rods? Sound silly to you? Not in Tioawan. It would have been unreal to me, until I saw it with my own eyes on my own ship. A catastrophic error and unbelievably difficult to recover from that one. Be careful. Fill the tanks to the brim and watch the bilge for days until you are sure they are not leaking. If they leak at all, run! Thanks for the reply. You right about the price, but i do not have the option to shop in North America where the prices are good. The Tayana has sold so I am now down to comparing the Baba35 and the Hans Christian 38T. A quick comparison on Yachtworld shows these vessels are not the cheapest ones for sale but also not the most expensive. Seems to priced about right. The Average Hans Christian 38T is priced 80-130 and the average is about 120,000. Of the Baba 35's on the Market the average price is 90,000. The one I am looking at seems to have a fair amount of equipment. The Baba 35 sounds like it has new stainless tanks (15 gallon baffled professionally produced stainless steel fuel tank with large inspection port. 80 gallons fresh water in two baffled stainless steel tanks with large inspection ports.) The Hans Christian 38T is 3 feet longer than the Baba 35 so I guess I would be getting a little more boat for the money.... Any more advice or input welcome. I own a Tayana 37, so take this with a grain of salt. The Baba is probably a better constructed boat, but she's also heavier for her size. Same goes for the HC, I believe. Realize the T37 is out of the picture now, but I would say she's the best sailor of the three (and caveat: I have not actually sailed on the Baba). For build quality, I would have gone for the Baba, but she has the lowest SA/D of the three, therefore probably not the best sailor. The Tayana 37 is well built, but there are some issues that you should be aware of -- moot point now that she's out of the running. Between your two choices, if the $20K is not an issue, I'd go with the HC though.  If you can get your hand on a Tashiba 36 you probably beat the sailing properties of the Tayana 37, and have the superior build quality. Only problem is they are very difficult to get hold off them as only so few were produced.  Sail Calculator Pro v3.53 - 2500+ boats This website has a good comparison chart. Just scroll down and choose the two boats you want to compare. I think the Hans Christian would be the better sailor, although I'm not sure if the staysail is used in the SA/D calculation, so the numbers can be deceiving. They are both great boats, if you find a few to look at it may come down to their condition. Find one that's the best outfitted for what you want and has the newer sails, rigging and tank upgrades. I'm jealous, I wish it were a decision I had to make ;-)  I haven't sailed any of those, so I'll refrain from giving my aesthetically-based opinion. But I do hope to someday be presented with such an appealing dilema as deciding between a Baba 35, HC38t and a Tayana 37! I have just been comparing the HC38 and T37 myself. With both companies still in business you really can't go wrong either way for resale value. When you look at numbers built HC38 167 (including 30 Telstar Keel versions), T37 588 Baba 35 75. Around 1983 the T37 comes in MKII version with an aft stateroom instead of a quarter berth. Also at some point Ta Yang relocated forward in the fore peak the fuel tank, a full tank weighing 700 pounds so far forward resulted in trim problems and hobby-horsing. The variations on the HC38 are as mysterious as the sea itself. Baba35 variations have interior layout options in key areas. In the forepeak was either a v-berth or a double, while in the saloon there were either straight settees with a drop-leaf table or a L-shaped settee on one side wrapping around the table. Further aft to starboard the option was either a sea-going quarter berth or a generously sized hanging locker. The mild steel fuel tanks have proven susceptible to corrosion mounted in the bilge. HC38 Theoretical hull speed: 7.7 knots, T37 Theoretical hull speed: 7.46 knots, Baba35 Theoretical hull speed: 7.3 knots  All three are 'leaky teakies' and are overpriced IMHO. All three are getting to that age where deck replacement and tank replacements are due both are really expensive jobs. I would have liked the HC the most I think. Disregard TQA's stupid generality. The Baba 35, aka Flying Dutchman 35, is by far the better built boat of the three. It sails about the same as the Tayana 37. But it's shorter so off the wind the TY 37 may be a hair faster. Not sure about the HC. Not too keen on some of their construction details though. I can't speak to how the HC sails but obviosly I have more faith in my own designs. The hull forms of the Baba 35 and the TY 37 are very similar. I would say from a value perspective the Baba 35 is the best boat on your list. Sorry Bob for criticizing your baby but the facts speak. The Baba 35s have a history of problems with the mild steel fuel tanks and replacement is not easy. I believe they have teak decks laid on a balsa cored fibre glass deck. As the last Baba 35 was built in 1986 [ I think ] that deck will be at least 27 years old. OK maybe the owners have been really carefull with the deck upkeep but not all do. Correct me if I am wrong but is the deck teak overlay not screwed down onto the fibreglass deck? So we have how many holes leading into the core? I looked long and hard at a lot of boats from that era when I was on the hunt for my forever boat. I listened to a lot of cruisers with boats from that era and the problems they had encountered. Over and over again I heard about leaking teak decks and the costs of repair. Also the nightmare of trying to replace fuel and water tanks that were installed before the deck went on. The OP asked about resale value. Try and sell a boat with a leaking diesel tank, a wornout teak deck on a soggy deck core and evidence down below of water leaks. There is an HC for sale just now in the PNW at a reduced price. Why is the price reduced who knows? Might just be related to the [ admitted ] soggy deck core. BTW I have been lucky enough to have been inside both a Baba 35 and a HC 38.I just liked the extra space in the HC but I am 6'3".  I know this does not answer your question, but you might want to add the Rafiki-37 to your potential list. They tend to list slightly lower than the others on your list, but in my unbiased opinion, fit well within your group.  Join the Tayana Owners Group ( TOG) a goggle group organization. Many of the the T37's sell from private parties. The listed price you quote is way to high. TOG will help you identify all the issues with this boat. I've owned hull number for 60 18 years. A boat for a lifetime.... TQA: You have your facts but I don't think they are "universal" they are just your "facts". Kind of like your "leaky Teak" comment. I have a fact too. My pal Donn has a beautiful PH Baba 35 with no deck problems at all. He bought this boat two years ago in reasonable condition. It's a great boat. He now has it in tip top shape. Been through all the so called problems on my T37. Easily solved by a bit of elbow grease and a few bucks. We took off the last of the teak deck on the coach roof in January/February while at anchor in Thailand. Sure lots of small holes to fill, core in excellent shape as I had kept up with the deck seems and plugs. Same with the Black Iron tank, cut that sucker out with a sawzall in New Zealand. New tanks in bilge and under port and starboard settee's, better weight distribution etc. Any of these boats are going to require some work. Better the devil you know then.... Suggest you pay a little more for a well cared boat. If you don't love working on boats then something with a little less teak and a lot more plastic may suit you better. Correct me if I am wrong but is the deck teak overlay not screwed down onto the fibreglass deck? So we have how many holes leading into the core? Actually, I was surprised how few screws had penetrated the core. A screw guide must have been used when applying the teak decks. Uniform penetration of the screws into the fiberglass was the norm. I drilled out every hole and filled with epoxy. had a t37 and loved it. stainless not the best but very solid ride. ?Have you thought of adding a cape George to your list.  As folks dig up and comment on a one yr old thread, as if the op is still looking? who know, they maybe.......... at the end of the day, if the boat floats your view points, buy it! I'd rather have an islander 28 than a baba, tayana, hc style boat!  Good choice! Some random pictures so far... I uploaded a few pictures here. Hope to add me and write some words soon. She needs a tidy up and a scrub, but overall is very sound. The Adventures of Noorderzon or - The Adventures of Noorderzon enjoy  biggles72 said: Some random pictures so far... I uploaded a few pictures here. Hope to add me and write some words soon. She needs a tidy up and a scrub, but overall is very sound. The Adventures of Noorderzon or - The Adventures of Noorderzon enjoy Click to expand... Your HC38 Looks fantastic. Great cruising area for your new sailboat. Love the pics. Top Contributors this Month Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. Hans Christian 38 MKIIHans Christian 38 MKII is a 45 ′ 11 ″ / 14 m monohull sailboat designed by Harwood Ives and built by Shing Fa Boatbuilding Co., Ltd. and Hans Christian Yachts between 1977 and 1989.  Rig and SailsAuxilary power, accomodations, calculations. The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more. Classic hull speed formula: Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL  Sail Area / Displacement RatioA measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more. SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3 - SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement RatioA measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize. Ballast / Displacement * 100 Displacement / Length RatioA measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ - D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort RatioThis ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more. Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 ) - D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening FormulaThis formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more. CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64) From BlueWaterBoats.org : The Hans Christian 38 MkII dates back to 1978, introduced only two years on from its predecessor, the popular Hans Christian 38 Traditional . They share the same designer and the same Taiwanese boatyard, Shin Fa. To the untrained eye, it’s easy to mistake the two. The 38 MkII continues with the same family looks and configuration; a traditional heavy displacement double-ender, with a springy sheerline, large bowsprit and a cutter rig. However the MkII has some important improvements made to its underbody. In the interests of more boat speed, the beam was carried further forward and aft, the bottom sections flattened and the turn of the bilge was tightened. The forefoot to the keel was made shallower and the rudder placed further aft. Followers of boat design will note Bob Perry had great success with evolving this kind of hull form in a similar direction with his series of performance double-ended full keelers like the Tayana 37 (1975), Baba 40 (1980), and Tashiba 36 (1985). In addition to the hull changes, to mitigate its predecessor’s tendency for weather helm, the mast was moved 12 inches forward, and to improve light air performance the rig was three feet taller and carried 11% more canvas. The result was a boat that performed substantially better all round, it pointed higher and could move much better in light airs. Belowdecks, the 38 MkII can be immediately recognized by her sink which is mounted on an island bench, gone is the U-shaped galley. Another important change worth considering is the placement of the engine to under the companionway stairs, in the 38T this was located under the sink which provided better accessibility. Although the 38 MkII offered better performance, it’s somewhat surprising that the original 38 Traditional was considerably more popular. We’re told by Craig Beckwith, VP of Sales for Hans Christian Yachts during that period, the better performing Telstar Keel** offered on the 38 Traditional took a lot of the market from the MkII, and for financial reasons the Telstar Keel did not become an option on the MkII. In total 87 MkII boats were built with production ceasing around 1989, roughly the time when Hans Christian Yachts shifted their operations to Thailand. The molds have survived (though in rather bad condition) and in theory the boat could be produced once again, with some investment in refurbishing the molds. ** See article on the Hans Christian 38 Traditional for a full description of the Telstar Keel Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. Discover Related Sailboats Blue Water Boats Hans Christian 38 Traditional Hans Christian 33 Westsail 42 Hans Christian 41 Traditional Lord Nelson 35Hans christian 36. ©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
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Three versions of the HC 38 were produced though basic dimensions were similar. This version, was designated the 'Traditional Cutter' or HANS CHRISTIAN 38T. Another version, usually referred to as the HANS CHRISTIAN 38 MKII (introduced in 1978 and built at another yard), has a slightly different hull shape, rig and interior. A few of […]
Find Hans Christian 38t boats for sale in your area & across the world on YachtWorld. Offering the best selection of Hans Christian boats to choose from.
What Hans Christian model is the best? Some of the most iconic Hans Christian models presently listed include: 33, 38t, 41t, 43 T and 43T. Various Hans Christian models are currently offered for sale by specialized yacht brokers, dealers and brokerages on YachtWorld, with listings ranging from 1976 year models up to 2023.
Around 1977, the 38T inspired an all new boat, somewhat confusingly named the Hans Christian 38 MkII. This sibling, also designed by Ives, had flatter bottom sections with beam carried further forward and aft, a taller rig with more sail and an interior layout similar to the 38T "MkII Interior", except the galley sink was placed on an ...
The 33's, 38's, 43's, 41's, etc were all built in different yards and build quality and practices can very significantly from model to model. I suggest that you take a look at the Hans Christian owners forum if you haven't already hanschristian.org. All of the external teak does seem to intimidate a lot of folks. However, we have been using ...
The Bluewater Sailboat Hans Christian 38 Traditional (also referred to as the 38T) is a heavy displacement double-ender that exudes the vintage sense of a bygone era. Its origins can be traced back to Colin Archer's work, which inspired William Aitkin with Thistle and Eric, from which arose Crealock's famous Westsail 32, the boat that not ...
Find more information and images about the boat and contact the seller or search more boats for sale on YachtWorld. Buy. Boats for Sale; Power boats; Sail boats; Yacht Brokers. Membership; Find a Broker ... 1979 Hans Christian 38t | 38ft. Lacombe, Louisiana. US$29,500 . Own this boat for $265/month. Customize. Engine. Yanmar Yanmar 4JHE. Total ...
The Tayana has sold so I am now down to comparing the Baba35 and the Hans Christian 38T. A quick comparison on Yachtworld shows these vessels are not the cheapest ones for sale but also not the most expensive. Seems to priced about right. The Average Hans Christian 38T is priced 80-130 and the average is about 120,000.
Builder of Hans Christian Yachts (2004-2015): ... Years in Business: 1973 - 2017. Sailboats Built By Hans Christian Yachts (Dates indicate when boat was first built by any builder) ... HANS CHRISTIAN 38T (TELSTAR KEEL) 37.92 ft / 11.56 m: 1976: HANS CHRISTIAN 39 PILOTHOUSE: 46.00 ft / 14.02 m:
Hans Christian 38T (Telstar Keel) is a 37′ 11″ / 11.6 m monohull sailboat designed by Harwood Ives and built by Hans Christian Yachts starting in 1976. ... Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay). D: ...
Given their classic, crowd-pleasing status as a popular, established boat brand, used Hans Christian boats in good condition often make sensible candidates for boat repowering projects. What is the best Hans Christian model? 38t, 41t, 43, 45 Independence Trawler and C43 Christina are among the most well known Hans Christian models now available.
Quick sale on this 1979 Hans Christian 38T, probably the least expensive HC anywhere, interior is very nice, but exterior will need love, Perkins 4-154, starts immediately with only 400 hours. ... Hans Christian Sailboats Hans Christian 38s California Hans Christians. Featured Sailboats: Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. Search.
Find Sail Hans Christian boats for sale in your area & across the world on YachtWorld. Offering the best selection of Hans Christian boats to choose from. Buy. ... 1976 Hans Christian 38t. US$59,500. ↓ Price Drop. Seattle Yachts - Los Angeles | Long Beach, California. Price Drop; 1990 Hans Christian 41t. US$172,292.
This vessel is probably one of the finest examples of a Hans Christian 38T. It condition and state of maintenance belies it's age. Few things aboard bear witness of being a 1978 model. ... Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the ...
Hans Christian 38 MKII is a 45′ 11″ / 14 m monohull sailboat designed by Harwood Ives and built by Shing Fa Boatbuilding Co., Ltd. and Hans Christian Yachts between 1977 and 1989. ... in the 38T this was located under the sink which provided better accessibility.
This blue-water Hans Christian 38T cutter is unquestionably the strongest, best constructed and finished boat in its class. Designed by American Harwood Ives, built by Chinese boat builders in Taiwan under the supervision of German engineers, finished by Chinese craftsman carpenters, and outfitted with all-American built hardware, this boat ...
Among the differences between this version and the HANS CHRISTIAN 38T: More beam, taller mast moved aft, with more sail area. Both were built at nearly the same time at different yards. ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original ...
The Hans Christian has a reputation for seaworthiness and comfort. Solidly built cruising boat or comfortable livaboard.Powered by Isuzu 62 hp engine. Equipment:
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In the mid 1980s Hans Christian Yachts commissioned the designing of a new series of boats based on a more modern hull design with the goal of the "ultimate cruising sailboat." The end result was the Christina series with the 52 and 48 models designed by Doug Peterson [1] and Scott Sprague designing 40 and 43 [2] versions. Construction was done ...
Storm tri sail track. North main sail with lazy jacks (1998) Profurl furling system on North genoa (1998) and staysail (1998) ... 1976 Hans Christian 38t. US$59,500. Long Beach, California. 1989 Custom Modified In 2003 SLP 52. US$60,000. Marina Del Rey, California. 2010 Donzi ZF. US$129,000.